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City to vote on assault rifle buy; Cops want an M-4 in every patrol car
El Paso, Inc. ^ | Timothy Roberts

Posted on 01/13/2010 3:15:33 PM PST by greatdefender

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To: Seruzawa
I did carry the M16A1 in Nam, not my Daddy.

Just joking with ya, my dad and his brothers are Nam vets as well. I have heard first hand accounts of special operators taking AKs off of dead VC and throwing their M16 out, lol.

I like the M1As, but I think the .308 cartridge is more for a main battle rifle while the 5.56/.223 is an intermediary round. The M1A Scout is a pretty sweet rifle, though.
41 posted on 01/13/2010 4:19:52 PM PST by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
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To: Waverunner

Sure did...but not so much said about the kidnapping, drug-running Mexican SCUM Juarez cartels...the real threat.

According to the story...El Paso cops want these rifles to combat Ft Bliss soldiers with handguns.


42 posted on 01/13/2010 4:24:30 PM PST by Mister Muggles (.Seattle: A city full of Liberal men with vaginas.)
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To: Domandred
Not really sure about the need for an M-4 in every car, but $674.80 per rifle is at least a reasonable price.

Very reasonable indeed. That is for a volume purchase of course, but We The People could probably get them for ~$800 or so, absent the ban on them for mere citizens. Well maybe a bit more, at first, due to pent up demand. I paid about that for my semi-auto AR-15 carbine, but that was a kit plus separately purchased lower receiver. But if *I* can put one together, anyone can. It's actually pretty accurate too.

43 posted on 01/13/2010 4:35:11 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: DariusBane
I for one don’t want the local governments armed like the 101st Airborne.

The 101st had M203 grenade launchers, AT4 anti armor rockets, and lots of other goodies, including artillery and air support (rotary wing). Few departments woudl have any need for that stuff, but any did, it would be border cities, like El Paso.

Although guarding the border and preventing invasions, by foreign governments or other foreign entitites, is really the job of the Federal Government, per Article IV Section 4 of the Constitution. However, Article I, Section 10, does allow states to "engage in War", if actually invaded or in imminent danger that will not admit delay. Seems to fit the situation from Brownsville to San Diego. But that's a job for the Militia including it's organized components the National Guard and State Guard, not city cops.

44 posted on 01/13/2010 4:43:36 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: MrPiper
And the reason I can't get this price even if I buy 10 is because?????

They are buying around 1,000. Plus it's a different market. The civilian market has been Obamasized, that is heated up by fear of what Obama might do next, once he gets past the Health Care thing.

You could buy a kit, say from Model One For $535, plus around $130-175 for the stripped lower. and you'd come pretty close. The upper comes assembled, you have to assemble the lower, but it's not that hard, and several "how to" sites are available, mit der pictures!

Stag Arms shows their lower for $135, but that's FFL price. (I think I did pretty well at $150 (or was it $175, well still not bad considering folks were selling them for $225 at the same show.)

45 posted on 01/13/2010 5:16:16 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: randomhero97
M4 is just fine. The barrel length is usually 16" and it's mainly a close-quarters weapon

Actually a real M4 has a 14.5" barrel. Although there is a commando version with an 11.5" barrel.

46 posted on 01/13/2010 5:23:09 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: El Gato

To answers:

Number one: I said that no federal dollars with their nasty strings should be attached to up arming ANY local law enforcement.
Number Two: I am well qualified to understand the differences between the armament of an infantry unit vs ar15’s but thanks for the heads up anyway.
Number Three: It should not be controversial within the ranks of liberty loving small government types to express a distrust of a large, powerful well funded domestic police force. That should NOT be a controversial statement.

The 2nd Amendment, if properly exercised would take care of the need for a professionally armed, full time quasi military police force. I just like the local, city, county, state and federal government to always have that gnawing sense of doubt... “Can we take them?”


47 posted on 01/13/2010 5:30:01 PM PST by DariusBane (Even the Rocks shall cry out "Hobamma to the Highest")
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To: El Gato
You could buy a kit, say from Model One For $535....AR15?...no thanks...

I'll keep the TWO AK's I bought for that price years ago and my Remington 700 "deer rifle" for $300/ the close in work..... ;-)

48 posted on 01/13/2010 5:43:47 PM PST by MrPiper
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To: El Gato

Ah, good catch. I thought about it from a civilian standpoint.


49 posted on 01/13/2010 5:45:31 PM PST by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
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To: rbosque
Is there a web site that’ll help with building your own?

Several. Here's one, Build Your Own AR15 that will sell you a step by step manual for $7. Cheap at twice the price IMHO. Although I used AR15.com and ShaneDaughtry.Com (real photos verses drawings) to assemble my lower. (Be sure to buy the pivot pin installation tool, it's cheap and makes the hardest step not the hardest at all). You'll also need the stock wrench or the multi wrench.

50 posted on 01/13/2010 5:46:44 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Mister Muggles
Sure did...but not so much said about the kidnapping, drug-running Mexican SCUM Juarez cartels...the real threat

Wouldn't be politically correct, and might lead to problems, from Ms. Napalitano, getting the funds from Homeland Security

According to the story...El Paso cops want these rifles to combat Ft Bliss soldiers with handguns.

See, kissing Ms. N's butt. (Sorry about the disgusting image that produces. :) )

However I suspect the EPD knows what the real threat is.

51 posted on 01/13/2010 5:55:54 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: El Gato

Thank you my friend. There’ll be a few more assembled for our side before too long.


52 posted on 01/13/2010 6:17:10 PM PST by rbosque (11 year Freeper! Stock up on weapons while you have the chance.)
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To: greatdefender
Peter Pacillas, assistant chief for training and special operations, does not single out soldiers for concern. He says, “Anybody who has the capability of using a high-caliber weapon is a concern for us.”

Geez Dude, you live in Texas, that's a heck of lot of people to be paranoid about. :)

Although I don't think I'd call 5.56 mm "high caliber", now 7.62 comes closer, but .50 would really be high caliber. Lot's of Texans have the latter two calibers in their "inventory".

Like these two (who are a mite older now, and the rifle actually belonged to FR's own Texas Cowboy, now standing post up yonder)

Even lil ole me (well OK BIG old me) has two 7.62 caliber rifles, no wait, three, almost forgot the (war) baby. :) I guess I better take her out for a "spin" to refresh my memory. Although I'm thinking about giving her to my wife, but maybe I can pawn the Chinese SKS off on her, it would be more effective at stopping "varmints" anyway. She wouldn't want or have use for the H&K.

53 posted on 01/13/2010 6:17:44 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: MrPiper
I'll keep the TWO AK's I bought for that price years ago and my Remington 700 "deer rifle" for $300/ the close in work..... ;-)

Sounds Good to me. As I stated, the AR was my last purchase, just 'cause I wanted one. (plus consideration of ammunition availability in domestic contingeincies). Also have SKS, H&K in 7.62 NATO, and the war baby (.30 M1 Carbine).

54 posted on 01/13/2010 6:22:04 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: rbosque
Thank you my friend. There’ll be a few more assembled for our side before too long.

You're welcom, that is why I posted the links.

55 posted on 01/13/2010 6:24:26 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: greatdefender

Since the major cause of police deaths is fratricide I think this is an industrial strength dumb idea. Most cops have the fire discipline of Arabs at a Saddam rally.


56 posted on 01/13/2010 6:26:33 PM PST by mad_as_he$$ (usff.com)
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To: randomhero97
I wish they would buy built 6.8SPC M4 configured rifles that way there would more 6.8 ammo in production.

Therein lies the problem, ammo production. During these uncertain times, it pays to have a caliber that is very common and depending on situation and your needs, available.

57 posted on 01/13/2010 10:08:20 PM PST by brushcop (SFC Sallie, CPL Long, LTHarris, SSG Brown, PVT Simmons KIA OIF lll&V, they died for you, honor them)
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To: greatdefender

When I was a LEO, we had a Mini-14 in every car, along with the 12 ga.


58 posted on 01/13/2010 10:09:27 PM PST by TChris ("Hello", the politician lied.)
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To: brushcop

“During these uncertain times, it pays to have a caliber that is very common and depending on situation and your needs, available.”

In that case the police should have weapons based on the 30-06. I suggest they acquire BARs. LOL!


59 posted on 01/15/2010 5:12:08 AM PST by Seruzawa (If you agree with the French raise your hand - If you are French raise both hands.)
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