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Polish bishop accuses Jews of using Holocaust as propaganda
Haaretz ^
| 1-25-2010
| via Reuters
Posted on 01/25/2010 7:53:17 PM PST by smokingfrog
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To: vladimir998
Yes, however, only the Jewish people faced the intentional threat of extinction as such. That is a qualitative difference between the treatment of the Jews and the treatment of non-Jews.
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posted on
01/25/2010 8:29:51 PM PST
by
Oceander
(The Price of Freedom is Eternal Vigilance -- Thos. Jefferson)
To: Natural Law
Who burnt all the books? The Amish?
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posted on
01/25/2010 8:30:30 PM PST
by
guitarplayer1953
(Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to GOD! Thomas Jefferson)
To: Oceander
Yes, however, only the Jewish people faced the intentional threat of extinction as such. That is a qualitative difference between the treatment of the Jews and the treatment of non-Jews.
Plenty of Roma/Gypsies would disagree. And Hitler's plans for Catholic Poles was no walk in the park. More like cultural genocide, murder of 1/3, and enslavement.
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posted on
01/25/2010 8:37:29 PM PST
by
rmlew
(Democracy tends to ignore..., threats to its existence because it loathes doing what is needed)
To: guitarplayer1953
"Who burnt all the books? The Amish?" Prior to the discovery of the New World the Spanish had spent nearly 700 years taking the Iberian Peninsula back from the Muslims and had developed a culture in which those who had forfeited their souls through the rejection of Christ had no human value. Upon arriving in the New World the Spanish encountered a cultural horror that made Islam seem pale and weak. Human sacrifice, slavery, ritual and commercial cannibalism were widespread. At the center of this was the religion of the natives. Were it encountered today there would be a similar response by civilized people to stamp out the religions that fostered these practices.
To: rmlew
And plenty of people would disagree with me about the Earth being round, or orbiting the Sun, or about Blacks and Whites being the same species of mammal. That means rather little, however.
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posted on
01/25/2010 8:40:53 PM PST
by
Oceander
(The Price of Freedom is Eternal Vigilance -- Thos. Jefferson)
To: Oceander
And plenty of people would disagree with me about the Earth being round
It isn't round; it's an oblate spheroid.
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posted on
01/25/2010 8:47:19 PM PST
by
aruanan
To: rmlew
Interesting parallel between two nations, Slovakia and Poland.
Both nations were Slavic and Catholic, yet Hitler left the Slovaks alone, yet persecuted the Poles. Of course the Slovaks, through Father Tiso, were in fact full-blown collaborators with the Nazis.
Hitler may have had such arrangement with the Endecja, but their antisemitism was only matched with their hatred of the Germans.
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posted on
01/25/2010 8:49:19 PM PST
by
dfwgator
To: aruanan
"It isn't round; it's an oblate spheroid."
See!?
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posted on
01/25/2010 8:52:53 PM PST
by
Oceander
(The Price of Freedom is Eternal Vigilance -- Thos. Jefferson)
To: vladimir998
"Well, I might get flamed for this, but he has a point. 5,000,000 non-Jews died in the Holocaust and almost no one knows it." Put into perspective, "The Holocaust" ranks only third in 20th century in terms of the numbers of victims. History is rife with holocausts. To claim that only a part of one is "The Holocaust" diminishes all of the victims and exonerates all perpetrators other than those motivated by antisemitism.
To: Natural Law
I will say the one thing that makes the Nazi Holocaust stand out is the fact that the Nazis had the audacity to film it, and meticulously document it.
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posted on
01/25/2010 8:59:55 PM PST
by
dfwgator
To: dfwgator
The Croatian Ustae and Romanian Iron guard were explicitly Catholic Fascist movements allied with the Nazis. On the other hand Franco not only refused to join the Axis, but accepted refugees and refused to let the Germans take Gibraltar. (Some have argued that this is because Franco was a Moranno, but this is meaningless. He was a Catholic.)
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posted on
01/25/2010 9:02:33 PM PST
by
rmlew
(Democracy tends to ignore..., threats to its existence because it loathes doing what is needed)
To: Natural Law
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posted on
01/25/2010 9:02:40 PM PST
by
guitarplayer1953
(Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to GOD! Thomas Jefferson)
To: dfwgator
Both Stalin and Mao created extensive film archives of their purges. The one thing that makes the Nazi Holocaust stand out is that the leftists in the west were far more reluctant to tout the film as naseum.
To: rmlew
And Hitler was a great admirer of Pilsudski, even making a point to post an Honor Guard at his grave after the Nazi invasion of Poland.
Which begs the question, What if Pilsudski had lived in 1939? What course would they had taken with regards to Poland. Hitler knew of Pilsudski’s hatred of the Russians and might have tried to make a deal with him.
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posted on
01/25/2010 9:06:27 PM PST
by
dfwgator
To: Natural Law
But those purges tended to be targeted mainly at politicians, not innocent men, women and children.
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posted on
01/25/2010 9:07:39 PM PST
by
dfwgator
To: dfwgator
Which begs the question, What if Pilsudski had lived in 1939? What course would they had taken with regards to Poland. Hitler knew of Pilsudskis hatred of the Russians and might have tried to make a deal with him.
Pilsudski would not have given up Danzig and the corridor. That would have meant land-locking Poland and forcing Poles under German rule. Then again, who knows.
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posted on
01/25/2010 9:10:18 PM PST
by
rmlew
(Democracy tends to ignore..., threats to its existence because it loathes doing what is needed)
To: dfwgator
"But those purges tended to be targeted mainly at politicians, not innocent men, women and children."I thought that at one time too, but I actually did some research. Tens of millions of innocent men, women and children died at the hands of Stalin and Mao. You just won't hear about it from Hollywood, the MSM, and academia who are far more forgiving of the transgressions of the left than of the Nazis.
To: smokingfrog
Oh Really? Yeah, thanks for that warning Bishop. The Roman Catholic Church knows NOTHING about exploiting suffering for their own benefit. NOTHING at all...
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posted on
01/25/2010 9:15:30 PM PST
by
patriot preacher
(To be a good American Citizen and a Christian IS NOT a contradiction. (www.mygration.blogspot.com))
To: Marty62
Yes but it was Stated and Planned policy to practice Genocide on the Jews. Actually, it was "stated and planned" Nazi policy to practice genocide against all Slavs, Poles in particular, as well as against Jews, gypsies, and others.
The genocidal program against the Slavs was more one of gradual attrition (through contraception, abortion, starvation, disease, etc.) than through industrial-scale extermination. But the final result was to be the same.
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posted on
01/25/2010 9:18:10 PM PST
by
Campion
("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed imposter")
To: rmlew
On the other hand Franco not only refused to join the Axis, but accepted refugees and refused to let the Germans take Gibraltar. He also refused to join Hitler in the war, and refused to enact the anti-Semitic laws the Nazis tried to push on him.
The Romanian Iron Guard weren't "explicitly [Roman] Catholic". (Very few Catholics in Romania, then or now.) Romanian Orthodox, maybe.
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posted on
01/25/2010 9:22:26 PM PST
by
Campion
("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed imposter")
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