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The right has 'Avatar' wrong [hurl]
LA Times ^ | January 26, 2010 | David Boaz

Posted on 01/26/2010 9:52:35 PM PST by UAConservative

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To: wendy1946
Again this film is generally more plausible than most if not all previous scifi flicks.

Here's a site that I enjoy reading. It's a bunch of physics nerds who reviews movies for their physics content. They give "Avatar" a rating of XP - which means "Obviously physics from an unknown universe":

For Avatar review: http://www.intuitor.com/moviephysics/Avatar.htm

For main page: http://www.intuitor.com/moviephysics/mpmain.html
41 posted on 01/27/2010 6:06:23 AM PST by fr_freak
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To: fr_freak
I'm not the only person who sees the starship in Avatar as vastly more realistic than anything seen previously in movies.

If you want non-realism, I'd suggest Starship Troopers, in which intelligent insects on the far side of the galaxy physically hurl a meteor at us and it hits South America a couple of weeks or months later.

42 posted on 01/27/2010 7:17:52 AM PST by wendy1946
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To: rabscuttle385; Abathar; Abcdefg; Abram; Abundy; akatel; albertp; AlexandriaDuke; Alexander Rubin; ..
What they have missed is that the essential conflict in the story is a battle over property rights...

Disclaimer: I haven't seen it



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43 posted on 01/27/2010 7:18:02 AM PST by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: oldenuff2no
have you SEEN the movie? it's liberal trash! i watched it online 2 days after it came out in the U.S. while visually stunning, the script is basically, "da white man is evil, da white man oppresses da native peoples, da marine corps is evil, etc., etc., etc. that movie is SHIITE!

don't support hollyweird and spend your dollars to support that shiite!

44 posted on 01/27/2010 7:26:36 AM PST by robomatik (III %)
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To: MortMan

That’s exactly the author’s contention. It’s a property rights issue because it’s the property owners vs. outsiders who want to take the land against their will, so as a conservative you should be cheering for the Navi.


45 posted on 01/27/2010 7:45:38 AM PST by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: Still Thinking
"cheering for the Navi"

So I should have cheered for the Indians when the settlers backed by the cavalry "invaded" their territories in the previous centuries? Should I also have wished that Europeans never set foot on American(?) soil?

46 posted on 01/27/2010 7:52:48 AM PST by driftless2 (for long term happiness, learn how to play the accordion)
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To: driftless2

According to the author, yes.


47 posted on 01/27/2010 7:56:35 AM PST by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: rabscuttle385

“She was unreasonable too, like the Na’vi: She wasn’t holding out for a better price; she just didn’t want to sell her house.”

Does the author actually believe that it is “unreasonable” to not want to sell ones home?


48 posted on 01/27/2010 7:57:51 AM PST by CSM (The only reason a conservative should reach across the aisle is to slap a little sense into a lib!)
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To: wendy1946
If you want non-realism, I'd suggest Starship Troopers, in which intelligent insects on the far side of the galaxy physically hurl a meteor at us and it hits South America a couple of weeks or months later.

No argument here. There are plenty of far worse examples in Hollywood of bad reality. What I like about the site that I gave earlier is that they will point of elements of fantasy physics in movies that one would never think of. The obvious flaws are easy to spot, like a spaceship with wings, for example, but other things are pointed out that most laymen would never even consider.
49 posted on 01/27/2010 7:58:59 AM PST by fr_freak
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To: CSM

That struck me to, but then I was thinking maybe by “unreasonable” he meant “non-negotiable”. I certainly hope he didn’t mean it literally. What a tool he’d have to be.


50 posted on 01/27/2010 8:00:03 AM PST by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: UAConservative

The bad guy general in AVATAR was definitely a Wesley Clark clone. He only bombed the good guys...


51 posted on 01/27/2010 8:01:42 AM PST by x_plus_one (Even the Russian online newspaper Pravda featured a column about "the man with no visible past.")
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To: fr_freak

Again, the dual fan gunships in Avatar looked like they’d work.


52 posted on 01/27/2010 8:02:20 AM PST by wendy1946
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To: Still Thinking
I watched a bit of Mel Gibson's "Apocalyto" last night before I went to bed. If you're not familiar with it, it's the story of a band of non-Aztec central American Indians whose tribe is attacked and taken hostage by a band of marauding Aztecs. The captives are then taken to the Aztec capital to be sacrificed. The Aztecs did those sorts of things on a regular basis. Which is why many non-Aztec tribes allied with the Spaniards when they invaded central America/Mexico.

The history of mankind is groups of armed people invading other peoples territories and doing some good things and some bad things. It's the same with the Indians of the Americas. They did the same thing to other Indian tribes that the Europeans, Asians, and Africans did to other tribes/peoples. Does Cameron suggest everybody should go back to where they started? Which would be Africa. Things would get a mite crowded.

53 posted on 01/27/2010 8:16:17 AM PST by driftless2 (for long term happiness, learn how to play the accordion)
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To: Yardstick

Yeah, I understand that. It’s basically how I teach white/Indian relations in the west. If there ARE property rights, then it’s a violation . . . but if it’s a communal “we are the world” thing, you’re right.


54 posted on 01/27/2010 8:18:32 AM PST by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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To: UAConservative

Any time I hear the phrase Eminent Domain I think of Burt Gummer, he has the right attitude IMHO.

55 posted on 01/27/2010 9:50:35 AM PST by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: vbmoneyspender
Here is what Cameron has said about Avatar:...

Well, he sure failed to make a convincing connection to reality. Guess its a problem for a left wingers to use fantasy to portray their absurd views of western imperialism. Because its fantasy, they can't make the connection explicit. Thus the connection is only valid in the minds of the left wingers. Yes the rest of us can see the connection that they are trying to make, but most of us are tired of paying attention to that aspect of Hollywood entertainment.

The way M*A*S*H explicitly portrayed a conservative arch type as "Frank Burns" was much more effective propaganda-wise.

The answer is to debate the left openly. They hate that.

56 posted on 01/27/2010 10:09:15 AM PST by AndyTheBear
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To: driftless2
Does Cameron suggest everybody should go back to where they started? Which would be Africa. Things would get a mite crowded.

My guess is that kind of question would make him feel dumb. Thus not wanting to feel that way, he would assume you are the dumb one, tell you so, and openly disbelieve whatever information you might use to back up your point.

Its the usual pattern when you deal with people who cling to a world view for social reasons rather than an honest desire to know the truth.

57 posted on 01/27/2010 10:21:24 AM PST by AndyTheBear
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To: oldenuff2no

Escapism would be a more apt term; with the ubiquitous game boxes and software now at ones fingertips, it is way too easy to leave the real world; just hook us up to supply and waste lines and peace will reign as long as the power holds out.


58 posted on 01/27/2010 11:31:28 AM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, then writes again.)
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To: robomatik

Yes I did watch the movie. No I did not attend a political evern. I’m sorry you put yourself in that position.


59 posted on 01/27/2010 12:24:44 PM PST by oldenuff2no (I'm a VET and damn proud of it!!! I did not fight for a socialist America!!!!!!!)
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To: driftless2

I was saying that the author of the article basically believed in the hypothetical you posed. Not saying that’s what Cameron, the movie’s director, is trying to say. I tend to think most people’s read that Cameron intended the piece as anti-Western, anti-American, anti-technology, anti-exploitation, etc, is probably correct, based in part on the man’s own words.


60 posted on 01/27/2010 2:09:50 PM PST by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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