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Toyota's new woes
NY Post ^ | February 3, 2010 | AP

Posted on 02/03/2010 3:28:33 AM PST by Scanian

WASHINGTON -- Toyota has hit another pothole.

The company has gotten over 100 complaints in the US and Japan about brake problems involving it popular Prius hybrid, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration said.

Two involved crashes resulting in injuries.

Japan's transport ministry ordered an investigation early today.

The complaints are the latest in a spate of quality troubles for the auto maker as it grapples with massive global recalls due to sticking accellerators. The Prius is not part of that recall of nearly 4.5 million vehicles.

(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; Japan; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: automakers; brakes; complaints; crashes; recall; toyota

1 posted on 02/03/2010 3:28:34 AM PST by Scanian
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To: Scanian

That will make a lot of the liberals unhappy.


2 posted on 02/03/2010 3:53:37 AM PST by Chi-townChief
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To: Scanian
This is all TOO funny! What a total manipulation of the auto market! I simply can NOT believe Toyota REALLY has problems that are all that bad. What a way to try to revive the U.S. auto market. U.S. manufactured vehicles have had defects for years and nary a word is said. Then, it is all over the news that Toyota has ongoing problems. How convenient. Next, it will be Honda. Then, Nissan. After that Kia. Then Hyundai. What dishonesty! Someone in government must have shorted the foreign vehicle stocks (i.e. Hillary and the cattle futures markets).
3 posted on 02/03/2010 3:59:27 AM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

This whole thing is going to get seriously convoluted. Now, every time there’s an accident involving a Toyota the driver will be able to blame it on the pedal problem, even if it had nothing to do with it.


4 posted on 02/03/2010 4:27:13 AM PST by jwparkerjr
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To: Chi-townChief

Obama’s promise to the UAW was to destroy Non-Union Toyota.


5 posted on 02/03/2010 4:29:28 AM PST by ncfool (The new USSA - United Socialst States of AmeriKa. Welcome to Obummers world.)
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To: Scanian

The Little Fascist is ruining a company that employs tens of thousands of Americans, so his union thugs can strangle the people of America.

DO NOT BUY GM OR CHRYSLER!!!


6 posted on 02/03/2010 4:40:17 AM PST by Wpin (I do not regret my admiration for W)
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To: Scanian

Have you driven a Ford...Lately!
:O)


7 posted on 02/03/2010 4:49:26 AM PST by BigCinBigD (")
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To: Scanian; All

Watch this video and then tell me that Toyota doesn’t have some serious design issues with their brakes...

http://abcnews.go.com/video/playerIndex?id=8980024

This is not the problem with the Prius, however.


8 posted on 02/03/2010 4:55:06 AM PST by Fresh Wind ("...a whip of political correctness strangles their voice"-Vaclav Klaus on GW skeptics)
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To: Scanian

O what a feeling!!!!


9 posted on 02/03/2010 4:56:46 AM PST by central_va ( http://www.15thvirginia.org/)
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To: ncfool

Toyota is still the liberals’ vehicle of choice - just check their ‘Save the Earth’ commercial with that baby boomer liberal in the t-shirt and all the years of Toyotas.


10 posted on 02/03/2010 5:43:37 AM PST by Chi-townChief
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To: Chi-townChief

Toyota is still my vehicle of choice and I’m no liberal.


11 posted on 02/03/2010 6:07:10 AM PST by billhilly
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To: Fresh Wind
The guy in the video says that when the accelerator is stuck, that if you pump the brakes, you lose the brakes. Why? He goes on to say DON'T turn off the engine because without the engine there's no power steering. Right. But why no braking with the engine still running?

In the video, when he hits the brakes the car slows down sharply, even with the gas on the floor, but he lets off the brake for his “don't pump” part.

I've tried this experiment myself from about 60 mph. My car (actually, it's a minivan with drum brakes in the rear) slowed down quickly. After slowing sharply I went on my way. I plan to repeat my experiment and stop all the way plus test the “don't pump” theory as well.

—regards

12 posted on 02/03/2010 6:12:10 AM PST by libertylover (The problem with Obama is not that his skin is too black, it's that his ideas are too RED.)
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To: libertylover
In the video, when he hits the brakes the car slows down sharply, even with the gas on the floor, but he lets off the brake for his “don't pump” part.

I don't think Consumer Reports would fake this. That being said, with anti-lock brakes, you are not supposed to pump the brakes, since the system is doing that for you.

If the system fails because you pumped the brakes, then that is a serious design flaw.

13 posted on 02/03/2010 7:01:36 AM PST by IYAS9YAS (The townhalls were going great until the oPods showed up.)
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To: Scanian

Feb. 2, 2010 - APPLE Founder: Toyota Problem is Software
Wozniak Says Problem with His Runaway Prius is Not the Gas Pedal
Steve Wosniak on ABC News claiming he can often but not always cause a runaway acceleration in his 2010 Prius by tapping the cruise control, presumably meaning it is neither the pedal nor the floormats, but most likely a software glitch.

But that’s not the story. The story is he (says he) could reach neither officials at Toyota nor in the government, couldn’t even get the numbers, which is why he called the news.

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/RunawayToyotas/apple-founder-toyota-problem-software/story?id=9728007


14 posted on 02/03/2010 7:19:15 AM PST by anglian
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

The best way to teach those evil doers a lesson is to buy a used Toyoata and refuse to take it in for the fix. That will show Obama who’s boss.


15 posted on 02/03/2010 7:24:14 AM PST by votemout
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To: billhilly

That’s as may be but it was the baby boom liberal “anti-war” folks who got the ball rolling for Japanese cars in the late 60s/early 70s - it was their way of getting back at daddy who committed those “war crimes” against Japan in WWII.


16 posted on 02/03/2010 7:29:53 AM PST by Chi-townChief
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To: ncfool

Isn’t most of Toyota’s production carried out in Japan by “Union” workers?


17 posted on 02/03/2010 8:37:26 AM PST by etcb
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To: libertylover
The guy in the video says that when the accelerator is stuck, that if you pump the brakes, you lose the brakes. Why?

He doesn't say why. He just says that it happens. You can see the brake fail alert on the dashboard.

In the video, when he hits the brakes the car slows down sharply, even with the gas on the floor, but he lets off the brake for his “don't pump” part.

Obviously, the video has been edited. You don't see him pumping, but you see the brakes in a failure mode as a result. You have to let off on the brakes when you pump, that's what pumping means. You see the car slowing somewhat before the brakes fail, and he says that's not enough to stop the car. He claims that once the brakes go into their failure mode, they are totally ineffective.

Unless your minivan is a Toyota, your experiment might be meaningless.

There may very well be two problems that augment each other. There's the initial acceleration problem, and then there's the brake failure. The first may well be mechanical, the second is almost certainly software.

18 posted on 02/03/2010 10:07:40 AM PST by Fresh Wind ("...a whip of political correctness strangles their voice"-Vaclav Klaus on GW skeptics)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Narry a word said??? Are you kidding me, US automakers RECALL they don’t play games trying to avoid them. Oh some have in the past and been burned.

What do you expect you have audio of an entire family dying due to a DESIGN FLAW that the company KNEW about and lied about, like it has been doing for years.

Things that would be recalls for anyone else, Toyota shoved under the rug, now its biting them on the arse.

All manufacturers are going to have issues, cars are complex machines. Toyota covered it up, and thats why its in the mess its in.

As to this never happening to US automakers, really? Are you kidding me? Never heard of the Corvaire? Pinto? Exploding Gas Tanks in Pickups?? US companies have had their share of doing such things too, and have rightly been attacked for it.

Attacking Toyota for a design flaw it clearly knew about, and clearly lied about isn’t unfair, its long overdue. Toyota’s legendary “quality” has been far more propoganda than reality for quite a long time. They have been playing games for a long long time to keep their numbers down on issues, recalls etc, and it finally bit them in the butt.

I’ve owned many cars over the years, and nearly every one of them have had a recall on one thing or another, usually its something minor. Having a recall isn’t why Toyota is in the tank, its because they have as a corporation been covering up known issues for years, and many of them not so minor.

Bubble’s been popped, and you are likely to see a lot more issues with Toyota’s being raised to the level they should have been initially. They knowing put millions of cars on the road with a potentially fatal flaw even after they were aware the flaw existed, believe me, this wasn’t the first time they played fast and loose, and all sorts of other things will come to light, guaranteed.


19 posted on 02/03/2010 10:16:54 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: Fresh Wind
Thanks for your reply. I didn't notice the “Brake Failure” light the first time I saw the video. I did try this myself but since my minivan is an Oldsmobile, perhaps it's not relevant. In my vehicle the brakes simply overwhelm the engine and the car slows very sharply, even with the accelerator held on the floor. And I decided not to go to a full stop because I was afraid I was damaging the clutch surfaces in the transmission.
20 posted on 02/06/2010 6:37:32 AM PST by libertylover (The problem with Obama is not that his skin is too black, it's that his ideas are too RED.)
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