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To: Seizethecarp
1. You assume that Ann and Toot knew the US statute would permit easy naturalization of BHO II. You have no way of knowing that. You don't know what they knew or what they did based on what they thought they knew.

I assume no such thing. I am merely applying the reasonable person test that is standard in the courts. Any reasonable person, if unaware of the naturalization processes, would inquire into them. All it would take is a phone call to an immigration lawyer.

Are you seriously suggesting Toot and Mama Obama would do something illegal before at the very least asking a lawyer about their legal options?

And of course, you do realize, most lawyers do offer free initial consultations.

2. The fact that Obama won't release his HI vital records, including all amendments and corrections (if any), is a glaring reason to doubt that HI is the original place of birth in the record filed with the DOH Aug 8th 1961 that triggered the newspaper notices.

Sorry. No cigar. Hawaii already verified that his vital record shows Hawaii as the birthplace.

3. You have not eliminated other possible reasons to doubt that the original, unamended HI vital record has Kenya on them as a location of birth or hospital address.

Such as...

Consider the Blaine long form BC as a hypothetical valid BC which maps perfectly to the summary fields on the Factcheck COLB with a location of birth showing Honolulu and the hospital address showing "Unknown - Kenya, Africa."

Right. So Hawaii is going to say Honolulu is the birthplace, but then list Kenya as the hospital location? LOL. Birthers will believe anything!

330 posted on 02/05/2010 4:57:53 PM PST by curiosity
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To: curiosity
"So Hawaii is going to say Honolulu is the birthplace, but then list Kenya as the hospital location?"

To the extent that HI will say anything without a release from Obama, they will say what is on the most recent accepted vital records on file.

You insist that there couldn't possibly be evidence of a Kenya birth in Obama's vital record file that was subsequently amended to remove it.

Your ask us to assume that there is no possibility of an original long form showing the "hospital address" as being "Unknown - Kenya Africa" which may either have been ignored by HI officials in favor of a "birth location" of Honolulu or removed in an amendment that was filed by Obama and accepted by HI subsequent to 1982.

Obviously, there is a possiblity that Obama's orignial vital record BC had Kenya on it and was amended.

Obama's refusal to release his original vital records alone provides a sufficient basis to demand that he reveal them.

The HI short-form COLB is hearsay evidence which is "self-authenticating" but can be challenged and the underlying vital records discovered under the best evidence rule, should a plaintiff ever gain standing.

331 posted on 02/05/2010 7:04:37 PM PST by Seizethecarp
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