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Toyota checking 2010 Prius brakes; mum on recall (TOYOTA COMING CLEAN ON LIBERALMOBILE)
AP via Yahoo ^ | February 4, 2010 | 28 mins ago

Posted on 02/04/2010 12:49:44 PM PST by Chi-townChief

Toyota USA says it is evaluating brake problems with the 2010 Prius gas-electric hybrid, but no decision has been made about a recall.

Company spokesman Brian Lyons says it's too soon to talk about a recall. He says the automaker is cooperating fully with a National Highway Traffic Safety Administration probe into the brake troubles.

The government is investigating reports that antilock brakes can fail momentarily on some 2010 Prius models in slippery conditions or on rough roads.

The company says it made a change in the 2010 braking system last month to correct cars in production. The company has not made a decision about cars on the road.

The U.S. government says it has received 124 reports from consumers about the Prius brakes, including four reports of crashes.

THIS IS A BREAKING NEWS UPDATE. Check back soon for further information. AP's earlier story is below.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: automakers; automobiles; cars; hybrids; michigan; prius; recall; toyota
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A lot of the lefty/greenie crowd are going to be highly pissed about this one ...
1 posted on 02/04/2010 12:49:44 PM PST by Chi-townChief
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2 posted on 02/04/2010 12:55:32 PM PST by chuck_the_tv_out ( <<< click my name: now featuring Freeper classifieds)
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To: Chi-townChief

Sounds like a computer problem maybe caused by electromagnetic issues from all those batteries.

Jus guessin.


3 posted on 02/04/2010 12:57:33 PM PST by wolfcreek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsd7DGqVSIc)
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To: Chi-townChief

There are all types of highway accident statistics - but does anyone know of data that lists the Make/Model/year of vehicles involved in fatalities? i.e. which was at fault etc.,????

http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/cats/listpublications.aspx?Id=F&ShowBy=DocType


4 posted on 02/04/2010 12:58:46 PM PST by sodpoodle (Despair - Man's surrender. Laughter - God's redemption.)
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To: Chi-townChief
A lot of the lefty/greenie crowd are going to be highly pissed about this one ...

I doubt it. They're probably thinking it will result in fewer cars on the road overall.
5 posted on 02/04/2010 1:02:28 PM PST by RandallFlagg (30-year smoker, E-Cigs helped me quit, and O wants me back smoking again?)
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To: Chi-townChief

I’ve been hearing all this noise about Toyotas for a while now.

I have been wondering all that time if it was in fact the Prius, because all reports I heard failed to name whichever car it happened to be.

Today is the first day I actually heard the word Prius in connection with these failings.


6 posted on 02/04/2010 1:04:13 PM PST by Califreak (Silence is golden. Duct tape is silver.)
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To: wolfcreek
I'm guessing it's sabotage. This is too convenient. For 20 years I have owned Toyota's and remembered only one recall. To my 1996 Tacoma for leaf spings that would sag.
7 posted on 02/04/2010 1:04:46 PM PST by Wiggins
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To: Chi-townChief

How many of you have had your computer lock up for no apparent reason?

Now, with that in mind, how about that Airbus airplane that crashed into trees when the pilots could not override the computerized controls.

Take all of that in consideration, KNOWING that the day will come when your “green” car with the computerized brakes, throttle controls along with everything else has a “glitch” that may kill you.

NO! NO! NO! When I step on the brakes I want a MECHANICAL connection to the braking system...not some type of sensor.

When I step on the gas pedal, I want a MECHANICAL connection to the throttle body or injector pump.

Technology is great when it proves itself beyond doubt. Now days, you are the test rat for our various systems and products turned out in today’s market. Remember, they use computers to simulate and design these devices and the statement “garbage in...garbage out” is not truer than ever.


8 posted on 02/04/2010 1:07:34 PM PST by DH (The government writes no bill that does not line the pockets of special interests.)
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To: Chi-townChief; RandallFlagg

I saw an interview last night of some leftard just shocked her eggcar could get recalled...because the car saved the planet.

As for the recall, AP ran with that story this morning...


9 posted on 02/04/2010 1:07:50 PM PST by BurbankKarl
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To: Wiggins

I have a 1994 Toyota pickup. It has a steering wheel, Air conditioning and a radio. The transmission is a manual 5 speed and the vehicle HAS NEVER BROKEN DOWN. It is the most reliable vehicle I have ever owned.

With this in mind, you have to remember Toyota had to make quality it’s mainstay to compete in the market. Early models of Toyota’s were exceptionally well designed and made.

Now, the “bean counters” have taken over the company and penny pinching is paramount. Guess what happens to quality when penny pinching becomes more important than quality. That’s right.....the Prius comes along.


10 posted on 02/04/2010 1:12:50 PM PST by DH (The government writes no bill that does not line the pockets of special interests.)
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To: DH

I would say the Pious is more a product of the Green Fascists, than the bean counters.


11 posted on 02/04/2010 1:14:38 PM PST by EyeGuy
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To: Wiggins

I heard only 1 Toyota plant in the US is unionized.

Wait till be start hearing how Unions build SAFE products. (GM, Chrysler)


12 posted on 02/04/2010 1:14:46 PM PST by wolfcreek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsd7DGqVSIc)
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To: DH

See post #3


13 posted on 02/04/2010 1:16:07 PM PST by wolfcreek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsd7DGqVSIc)
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To: DH
"Now, the “bean counters” have taken over the company and penny pinching is paramount."

Reminds me of Ford under Jacques Nasser, fake gauges on the instrument panel, etc.
14 posted on 02/04/2010 1:16:13 PM PST by mrmeyer ("When brute force is on the march, compromise is the red carpet." Ayn Rand)
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To: Chi-townChief

Jerry Doyle calls these cars “George Jetson-mobiles”, a very apt and appropriate term for them.


15 posted on 02/04/2010 1:19:14 PM PST by GraceG
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To: DH

My brother drove a late 80’s Toyota pickup, 4 runner, for 10 years. COULD NOT KILL IT. 200,000 plus miles.

Traded it in for a Dodge full size, around 1998. The dodge engine bit the dust in first 6 months.


16 posted on 02/04/2010 1:29:02 PM PST by PA-RIVER
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To: Chi-townChief
antilock brakes can fail momentarily on some 2010 Prius models in slippery conditions

You don't say...

17 posted on 02/04/2010 1:34:18 PM PST by TaxRelief (I am demoting "Global Warming" from 'theory' to 'deliberate falsehood'.)
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To: DH
These pro 0bama exec's today are taking high paying jobs with corporations for the sole purpose of destroying the company after they make enough to secure their own future. I hate to think this way but seems to be true. Anyone educated today is bombarded with the leftist propaganda.
18 posted on 02/04/2010 1:35:01 PM PST by Wiggins
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To: Wiggins

I was wondering the same thing, too. We’re a ‘Toyota family’....and they are GREAT cars. Mine’s a ‘98 and still runs like new.


19 posted on 02/04/2010 1:35:11 PM PST by RushIsMyTeddyBear (I don't have a 'Cousin Pookie'.)
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To: mrmeyer

To me, it’s reminiscient of the Pinto gas filler fiasco - there weren’t many failures statiscally but when they happened, they were catastrophic.


20 posted on 02/04/2010 1:36:12 PM PST by Chi-townChief
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To: wolfcreek

That plant is closing in March.


21 posted on 02/04/2010 1:36:23 PM PST by RedhairRedhair (I STILL love my (scab made) Toyota)
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To: sodpoodle

I’m guessing that data is “not available”, kinda like the global warming data.

There is a major conflict of interest here. The government is no longer an objective watch dog. The government OWNS Toyota’s competition.


22 posted on 02/04/2010 1:36:59 PM PST by TaxRelief (I am demoting "Global Warming" from 'theory' to 'deliberate falsehood'.)
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To: TaxRelief

i would believe that the government motors affiliate posted this for us to create a crises that they can take the advantage of ..


23 posted on 02/04/2010 1:39:22 PM PST by gibtx2 (keep up the good work I am out of work but post 20 a month to this out of WF Check)
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To: Chi-townChief

I didn’t know the Prius needed any brakes.


24 posted on 02/04/2010 1:40:16 PM PST by eleni121 (For Jesus did not give us a timid spirit , but a spirit of power, of love and of self-discipline)
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear

I had a 1996 Tacoma pickup that had 300k miles on it and I sold it to a guy who drove it out to California and back. All I did was replace wear and tear items with the exception of the recall for the leaf springs. It’s still running today and was recently repainted at 400k miles. I own a Solera, Camry and a Corolla and they run like tops. I swear this is a conspiracy. I did own a 1990 Chevrolet S-10 pickup that literally fell apart at 35K miles. Luckily for me theended warranty that I purchased covered most of the repairs which cost more than what the truck was worth at the time. I sold the S-10 for the Toyota.


25 posted on 02/04/2010 1:42:41 PM PST by Wiggins
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To: DH
"Now days, you are the test rat for our various systems and products turned out in today’s market."

Not only that, but an actuary beforehand factored in the cost of x number of test 'rats falling for the bait.

26 posted on 02/04/2010 1:43:25 PM PST by StAnDeliver (\)
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To: TaxRelief

Any such records before the bail bondsmen confiscated GM?

It might shed light on a chronic problems.

Approx 45,000 people die on our roads every year. That is huge. It would be useful to know the percentage of vehicles sold & driven vs. number of fatal accidents.


27 posted on 02/04/2010 1:48:12 PM PST by sodpoodle (Despair - Man's surrender. Laughter - God's redemption.)
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To: Wiggins
"These pro 0bama exec's today are taking high paying jobs with corporations for the sole purpose of destroying the company after they make enough to secure their own future. I hate to think this way but seems to be true."

Even ashes have value apparently. Sad but true.

28 posted on 02/04/2010 1:49:50 PM PST by StAnDeliver (\)
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To: gibtx2

Not sure - the problem is that Toyota’s infiltration of the American was and still is kind of a conspiracy in itself so who knows. I’m curious to see how the chips will fall, though.


29 posted on 02/04/2010 1:56:13 PM PST by Chi-townChief
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To: Chi-townChief

having served i can assure you that the government is involved here in a big way... I can see them..... and feel them make this their story ...it is a great time to buy a toyota ... i would never by any domestic...


30 posted on 02/04/2010 1:58:18 PM PST by gibtx2 (keep up the good work I am out of work but post 20 a month to this out of WF Check)
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To: RandallFlagg

These would be the same leftists who advocate Zero Population Growth so maybe these should drive their Priuses more and ignore the recall.


31 posted on 02/04/2010 2:00:38 PM PST by WOBBLY BOB (ACORN:American Corruption for Obama Right Now)
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To: gibtx2

I could never buy a Toyota - just not in my DNA, I guess.


32 posted on 02/04/2010 2:02:14 PM PST by Chi-townChief
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To: Chi-townChief

I have three Toyota and love them. I am looking at a new one now. I think i will wait a week for this to impact the price more. I pay cash.


33 posted on 02/04/2010 2:04:48 PM PST by gibtx2 (keep up the good work I am out of work but post 20 a month to this out of WF Check)
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To: DH

I am a software developer by trade, and I’ll tell you this, I NEVER EVER EVER want to operate a vehicle driven by software and not mechanical linkage for its primary systems.

Yes, Mechanical systems can fail, but software bugs are far too common in large complex systems, and the more complex the systems, the more likely you will break something else trying to fix a problem when it is found. Most are usually nothing more than annoyances, but in a vehicle, no thanks prefer not to take the chance.

I love software, and am far from being tech unsavvy or phobic, but I just don’t trust complete fly by wire systems. I’ve seen too many things go wonky between software and hardware glitches over the years. Sensor screws up and starts sending the wrong data, you can wind up in a world of hurt. Path in software never tested under 1 in a million conditions and behaves in way not anticipated... etc.


34 posted on 02/04/2010 2:04:52 PM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: gibtx2

Man, if a US government conspiracy can be proved in advance of the election, that would be amazing!!! The problem is that Toyota is the preferred car of so many of the lefties which would make it seem doubtful.


35 posted on 02/04/2010 2:07:53 PM PST by Chi-townChief
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To: DH

My 87 Supra turbo still purred like a kitten when i sold it at 308,000 miles.

I miss that car.


36 posted on 02/04/2010 2:08:34 PM PST by mowowie
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To: wolfcreek

The dust produced smells like farts.


37 posted on 02/04/2010 2:09:07 PM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: Chi-townChief

actually they like hondas better... i have three toyota and thinking about getting a new one.


38 posted on 02/04/2010 2:09:20 PM PST by gibtx2 (keep up the good work I am out of work but post 20 a month to this out of WF Check)
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39 posted on 02/04/2010 2:10:11 PM PST by GalaxieFiveHundred
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Who are they kidding. The lefties would be the first in line for a lawsuit.


40 posted on 02/04/2010 2:11:47 PM PST by GVnana ("Obama is incredibly naive and grossly egotistical." Sarkozy)
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To: wolfcreek

That is closing or is closed. Fremont CA where they build the Matrix/Pontiac Vibe and attach truck beds to the Tacoma.

>>>I heard only 1 Toyota plant in the US is unionized.


41 posted on 02/04/2010 2:16:53 PM PST by BurbankKarl
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To: Califreak

Let’s not celebrate too much. This is about Obama and his goons destroying Toyota to get UAW thug into tranplant non-union plants in the USA.

I doubt Toyo’s problems are anywhere near what they are claiming in the media. This is a hatchet job with the message to: Honda, BMW, Porsche, Hyundai, Nisaan, Subuaru and others making vehicles in the USA - YOU WILL ALLOW THE UAM to organize and run your factories.

I would not be celebrating. The UAW knows Chrysler and GM are dead. They killed them. The UAW parasites need new hosts to suck their blood dry.

This is what REALLY is going on.


42 posted on 02/04/2010 2:33:24 PM PST by Frantzie (TV - sending Americans towards Islamic serfdom - Cancel TV service NOW)
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To: gibtx2
i would believe that the government motors affiliate posted this for us to create a crises that they can take the advantage of ..

posted what?

43 posted on 02/04/2010 2:34:55 PM PST by TaxRelief (I am demoting "Global Warming" from 'theory' to 'deliberate falsehood'.)
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To: Chi-townChief

Wife drives a Prius...she’s a college perfessor too.

She’s also a staunch conservative and diehard Fox fan (with O’Reilly her favorite, and Hannity a close second).

Of course, when she wants some fun, she parks the rollerskate...and hops into my Mustang GT Convertible.

The Prius was just a logical choice gas-wise because she’s a “long distance” instructor and drives all over the state teaching grad students.


44 posted on 02/04/2010 2:37:05 PM PST by moovova (More coffee please...make it a double.)
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“Let’s not celebrate too much. This is about Obama and his goons destroying Toyota to get UAW thug into tranplant non-union plants in the USA.
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I would not be celebrating. The UAW knows Chrysler and GM are dead. They killed them. The UAW parasites need new hosts to suck their blood dry.”

That’s the first thing I thought of when I heard the first stories about Toyota.


45 posted on 02/04/2010 2:59:19 PM PST by Lynne
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear

This is all about getting the UAW thugs into the non-union factories in the USA. BMW, TOyo, Honda, Subaru, Nissan, Porsche, etc etc. Hit the biggest (Toyota) one hard.


46 posted on 02/04/2010 3:04:07 PM PST by Frantzie (TV - sending Americans towards Islamic serfdom - Cancel TV service NOW)
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To: Frantzie

May wind up being a win-win situation!!!


47 posted on 02/04/2010 3:13:18 PM PST by Chi-townChief
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To: Frantzie

Where did you get the idea I was celebrating?

I agree with everything else you said though.

>I doubt Toyo’s problems are anywhere near what they are claiming in the media. This is a hatchet job with the message to: Honda, BMW, Porsche, Hyundai, Nisaan, Subuaru and others making vehicles in the USA - YOU WILL ALLOW THE UAM to organize and run your factories.<

I was also wondering why they were all over Toyota, the makers of the famed green vehicle. I knew there was some sort of nefarious angle to it.

Now it makes sense to me.


48 posted on 02/04/2010 3:23:00 PM PST by Califreak (Silence is golden. Duct tape is silver.)
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To: chuck_the_tv_out

I LIKE TOYOTAS!!! /disclaimer

I posted yesterday that this is not a new problem. They have been “under investigation” since, at least, 2004.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2443808/posts?page=15#15

Again, a disclaimer because I LIKE TOYOTAS!!! (they just haven’t been honest)


49 posted on 02/04/2010 3:24:38 PM PST by papasmurf (sudo apt-get install U-S-Constitution)
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To: Califreak

Sorry if I came off attacking - it was not my intention. I think a few people are gleeful about Toyota getting their brains beat out.

I am not a huge Toyo fan. I never there cars were that good but they are not death traps. This is all about power. Obama is making an example of them. He thinks the avg American will think well toyo took jobs from americans and hurt GM etc etc.

This is another attempted take over by UAW thug. The message is - you let UAW workers in non-union factories or you are next. We will sick the govt and trial lawyers on you. Obama is setting Toyo up like Clinton set up the ciggie companies to give billions to trial lawyers or Toyota will be destroyed. This is real facism on display.


50 posted on 02/04/2010 3:44:05 PM PST by Frantzie (TV - sending Americans towards Islamic serfdom - Cancel TV service NOW)
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