Skip to comments.At last! Have they finally found a 'weapon of mass destruction' in Iraq?
Posted on 02/05/2010 11:32:56 AM PST by Free ThinkerNY
They have been searching in Iraq for the past nine years, 10 months and 15 days.
Today, the hard work finally paid off as soldiers found one of those elusive weapons of mass destruction that Saddam Hussein was supposed to have been hiding.
So is it all round to Tony Blair's house for celebratory drinks?
Unfortunately the discovery came just a few days late for the former prime minister, who could have used the extraordinary find as proof he was right about Iraq all along during the Chilcot Inquiry.
But from the looks of the rocket, it would appear unlikely it could be deployed anywhere in 45 minutes, let alone be fired at the UK, as a certain dossier led us to believe.
The bomb is thought to have been buried by Saddam Hussein's regime before the UK and U.S. invasion of Iraq started in 2003.
Iraqi guards were as surprised as the rest of us to discover the 'missile' during an operation in Baghdad's Abu Ghraib suburb.
It is not yet known whether the seven-metre rocket is armed with a warhead.
(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...
THE MEDIA AND LIBERALS LIED !!!
One thing Leftists around the world share in abundance: They’re all a bunch of sarcastic smart asses.
In more pertinent news, Michael Jackson was still dead, and Todd Palin may have had a hand in Alaska’s business.
Saddam Hussein was trying to obtain WMDs. That is very clear. He was prohibited from obtaining such weapons from the “peace” agreement after the 1991 Gulf War.
He essentially “violated parole” and broke the peace. It was for this that he was deposed.
We have our own WMD to worry about now, our President.
Weapon of Mass Delusion.
WMD = Weenie of Mass Destruction?
Saddam used chemical weapons on the Kurds and the Iranians. What else does anybody need to know?
They found them the hard way. Iraq never fully accounted for the weapons used afterwards.
Looks like a chinese made silkworm missile.
On June 9th , the UN Monitoring, Verification and Inspection Commission briefed the Security Council about the export of Iraqi WMD, missile and nuclear components shipped out of Iraq before, during and after the invasion. As reported by MENL news service, UNMOVIC acting executive chairman Demetrius Perricos told the Council, "The removal of these materials from Iraq raises concerns with regard to proliferation risks," and said inspectors found Iraqi WMD and missile components shipped abroad that still contained UN inspection tags.
The World Tribune reported on Perricos's briefing. "He said the Iraqi facilities were dismantled and sent both to Europe and around the Middle East at the rate of about 1,000 tons of metal a month... The Baghdad missile site contained a range of WMD and dual-use components, UN officials said. They included missile components, reactor vessel and fermenters ... required for the production of chemical and biological warheads. 'It raises the question of what happened to the dual-use equipment, where is it now and what is it being used for,' Perricos's spokesman, said. 'You can make all kinds of pharmaceutical and medicinal products with a fermenter. You can also use it to breed anthrax.'"
As discussed in Shadow Warriors by Kenneth Timmerman, Smeshko and the other Ukrainians informed the U.S. and British governments that Iraqs WMD had been sent outside of the country with Russian assistance. The information included the dates and locations of meetings to plan the operation, and even names of the Russian Spetsnaz officers involved. Shaw also worked with a British solider of fortune who ran an intelligence network in the region, and had tracked the movement of WMDs to Syria and Lebanon. The information provided by this network substantiated the information provided by the Ukrainians. Ion Pacepa, the former head of Romanian intelligence during the Cold War, has also provided information supporting these allegations, saying he had personal knowledge of a Soviet plan called Operation Sarindar where the Russians would cleanse an ally, such as Iraq, of traces of illicit activity if threatened with Western attack. The plans purpose was to deny the West of any evidence incriminating the Russian ally, as well as to wipe Russias own fingerprints off of the states illegal activity.
Retired Air Force Lt. Gen. James Clapper, head of the National Imagery and Mapping Agency, said vehicle traffic photographed by U.S. spy satellites indicated that material and documents related to the arms programs were shipped to Syria."
"Last month Moshe Yaalon, who was Israel's top general at the time, said Iraq transported WMD to Syria six weeks before Operation Iraqi Freedom began.
Last March, John A. Shaw, a former U.S. deputy undersecretary of defense for international technology security, said Russian Spetsnaz units moved WMD to Syria and Lebanon's Bekaa Valley.
"While in Iraq I received information from several sources naming the exact Russian units, what they took and where they took both WMD materials and conventional explosives," Mr. Shaw told NewsMax reporter Charles Smith.
Retired Marine Lt. Gen. Michael DeLong was deputy commander of Central Command during Operation Iraqi Freedom. In September 2004, he told WABC radio that "I do know for a fact that some of those weapons went into Syria, Lebanon and Iran."
In January 2004, David Kay, the first head of the Iraq Survey Group which conducted the search for Saddam's WMD, told a British newspaper there was evidence unspecified materials had been moved to Syria from Iraq shortly before the war.
"We know from some of the interrogations of former Iraqi officials that a lot of material went to Syria before the war, including some components of Saddam's WMD program," Mr. Kay told the Sunday Telegraph.
Also that month, Nizar Nayuf, a Syrian journalist who defected to an undisclosed European country, told a Dutch newspaper he knew of three sites where Iraq's WMD was being kept. They were the town of al Baida near the city of Hama in northern Syria; the Syrian air force base near the village of Tal Snan, and the city of Sjinsar on the border with Lebanon.
In an addendum to his final report last April, Charles Duelfer, who succeeded David Kay as head of the Iraq Survey Group, said he couldn't rule out a transfer of WMD from Iraq to Syria.
"There was evidence of a discussion of possible WMD collaboration initiated by a Syrian security officer, and ISG received information about movement of material out of Iraq, including the possibility that WMD was involved. In the judgment of the working group, these reports were sufficiently credible to merit further investigation," Mr. Duelfer said."
"The short answer to the question of where the WMD Saddam bought from the Russians went was that they went to Syria and Lebanon," former Deputy Undersecretary of Defense John A. Shaw told an audience Saturday at a privately sponsored "Intelligence Summit" in Alexandria, Va. (www.intelligencesummit.org).
"We are not talking about a large stockpile of weapons," he said. "But we know from some of the interrogations of former Iraqi officials that a lot of material went to Syria before the war, including some components of Saddam's WMD programme. Precisely what went to Syria, and what has happened to it, is a major issue that needs to be resolved."
"Two days before the war, on March 17th, we saw through multiple intelligence channels - both human intelligence and technical (satellite,eavesdrop) intelligence - large caravans of people and things, including some of the top 55 Iraqis, going to Syria."
See also: What Charles Duelfer Missed
Many WMDs or materials to make such have been found in Iraq, the media just ignored it or said it didn’t rise to the level of what they consider proof. From Yellowcake Uranium (that Joe Wilson claimed didn’t exist) to sarin nerve gas warheads, President Bush’s claims have been vindicated yet ignored.
There were WMD’s in Iraq.
That aside, yes, oil is indeed a good reason to go to war (as long as we refuse to drill it ourselves).
Oil= jobs= medicine= food.....
My guess would be 'no.'
Looks like a silkworm.
Hmmm - I’m not much on military stuff but it looks like a dirt bomb to me ......
Liberals lied, the economy died.
No kidding. I guess being buried for all these years probably would hamper it’s ability to fly a bit!! good grief. And if there was one there’s probably more somewhere....like maybe syria???? hint hint
Besides, as I recall, there were a WHOLE BUNCH of liberals telling us about those dangerous wmd BEFORE the war, regardless of what they said later.
Do we really have to drag those tapes out and go thru this whole debate again??
Saddam’s General Sada says the WMD went to Syria:
Saddam’s Secrets: How an Iraqi General Defied & Survived Saddam Hussein (Hardcover)
And a whole lot of them that said going into Iraq to take out Saddam was the right and honorable thing to do.
But that's the beauty of having no integrity. Only what you're saying at the moment matters.
Saddam Hussein, Terrorists & WMD in Iraq
>> found one of those elusive weapons of mass destruction
Again, the premise is wrong. It was the threat of acquiring WMD.
WE know chemical weapons were there. In 2004 we found a railhead in Anbar Province and from there a road heading straight into Syria. From the look of the road, it had been heavily used. I was informed, look carefully because this was the route that the WMD’s were brought into Syria earlier. We did a 180 at the Syrian border. It really makes me angry for the ignorant liberals to keep bleating away that there were no WMD’s in Iraq. I guess Chemical Ali attacked the Kurds with evil thoughts. Grrrr
There is a whole freaking list of WMD’s found Iraq if the msm had any honesty not just a total dem talking point propaganda program.
And during the time that the WMD’s were being moved to Syria and beyond, the treasoncrats here in the U.S. were running flak for their beloved saddam by demanding that President Bush go before the U.N. to ask for permission.
Treasoncrats who were for the war before they were against it:
“This December will mark three years since United Nations inspectors last visited Iraq. There is no doubt that since that time, Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to refine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer- range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies.” — From a December 6, 2001 letter signed by Bob Graham, Joe Lieberman, Harold Ford, & Tom Lantos among others
“Whereas Iraq has consistently breached its cease-fire agreement between Iraq and the United States, entered into on March 3, 1991, by failing to dismantle its weapons of mass destruction program, and refusing to permit monitoring and verification by United Nations inspections; Whereas Iraq has developed weapons of mass destruction, including chemical and biological capabilities, and has made positive progress toward developing nuclear weapons capabilities” — From a joint resolution submitted by Tom Harkin and Arlen Specter on July 18, 2002
“Saddam’s goal ... is to achieve the lifting of U.N. sanctions while retaining and enhancing Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction programs. We cannot, we must not and we will not let him succeed.” — Madeline Albright, 1998
“(Saddam) will rebuild his arsenal of weapons of mass destruction and some day, some way, I am certain he will use that arsenal again, as he has 10 times since 1983” — National Security Adviser Sandy Berger, Feb 18, 1998
“Iraq made commitments after the Gulf War to completely dismantle all weapons of mass destruction, and unfortunately, Iraq has not lived up to its agreement.” — Barbara Boxer, November 8, 2002
“The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retained some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capability. Intelligence reports also indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons, but has not yet achieved nuclear capability.” — Robert Byrd, October 2002
“There’s no question that Saddam Hussein is a threat... Yes, he has chemical and biological weapons. He’s had those for a long time. But the United States right now is on a very much different defensive posture than we were before September 11th of 2001... He is, as far as we know, actively pursuing nuclear capabilities, though he doesn’t have nuclear warheads yet. If he were to acquire nuclear weapons, I think our friends in the region would face greatly increased risks as would we.” — Wesley Clark on September 26, 2002
“What is at stake is how to answer the potential threat Iraq represents with the risk of proliferation of WMD. Baghdad’s regime did use such weapons in the past. Today, a number of evidences may lead to think that, over the past four years, in the absence of international inspectors, this country has continued armament programs.” — Jacques Chirac, October 16, 2002
“The community of nations may see more and more of the very kind of threat Iraq poses now: a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them or provide them to terrorists. If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow.” — Bill Clinton in 1998
“In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members, though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible events of September 11, 2001. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects American security.” — Hillary Clinton, October 10, 2002
“I am absolutely convinced that there are weapons...I saw evidence back in 1998 when we would see the inspectors being barred from gaining entry into a warehouse for three hours with trucks rolling up and then moving those trucks out.” — Clinton’s Secretary of Defense William Cohen in April of 2003
“Iraq is not the only nation in the world to possess weapons of mass destruction, but it is the only nation with a leader who has used them against his own people.” — Tom Daschle in 1998
“Saddam Hussein’s regime represents a grave threat to America and our allies, including our vital ally, Israel. For more than two decades, Saddam Hussein has sought weapons of mass destruction through every available means. We know that he has chemical and biological weapons. He has already used them against his neighbors and his own people, and is trying to build more. We know that he is doing everything he can to build nuclear weapons, and we know that each day he gets closer to achieving that goal.” — John Edwards, Oct 10, 2002
“The debate over Iraq is not about politics. It is about national security. It should be clear that our national security requires Congress to send a clear message to Iraq and the world: America is united in its determination to eliminate forever the threat of Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction.” — John Edwards, Oct 10, 2002
“I share the administration’s goals in dealing with Iraq and its weapons of mass destruction.” — Dick Gephardt in September of 2002
“Iraq does pose a serious threat to the stability of the Persian Gulf and we should organize an international coalition to eliminate his access to weapons of mass destruction. Iraq’s search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to completely deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power.” — Al Gore, 2002
“We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction.” — Bob Graham, December 2002
“Saddam Hussein is not the only deranged dictator who is willing to deprive his people in order to acquire weapons of mass destruction.” — Jim Jeffords, October 8, 2002
“We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction.” — Ted Kennedy, September 27, 2002
“There is no doubt that Saddam Hussein’s regime is a serious danger, that he is a tyrant, and that his pursuit of lethal weapons of mass destruction cannot be tolerated. He must be disarmed.” — Ted Kennedy, Sept 27, 2002
“I will be voting to give the president of the United States the authority to use force - if necessary - to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security.” — John F. Kerry, Oct 2002
“The threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real, but as I said, it is not new. It has been with us since the end of that war, and particularly in the last 4 years we know after Operation Desert Fox failed to force him to reaccept them, that he has continued to build those weapons. He has had a free hand for 4 years to reconstitute these weapons, allowing the world, during the interval, to lose the focus we had on weapons of mass destruction and the issue of proliferation.” — John Kerry, October 9, 2002
“(W)e need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime. We all know the litany of his offenses. He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation. ...And now he is miscalculating Americas response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction. That is why the world, through the United Nations Security Council, has spoken with one voice, demanding that Iraq disclose its weapons programs and disarm. So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real, but it is not new. It has been with us since the end of the Persian Gulf War.” — John Kerry, Jan 23, 2003
“We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandates of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them.” — Carl Levin, Sept 19, 2002
“Every day Saddam remains in power with chemical weapons, biological weapons, and the development of nuclear weapons is a day of danger for the United States.” — Joe Lieberman, August, 2002
“Over the years, Iraq has worked to develop nuclear, chemical and biological weapons. During 1991 - 1994, despite Iraq’s denials, U.N. inspectors discovered and dismantled a large network of nuclear facilities that Iraq was using to develop nuclear weapons. Various reports indicate that Iraq is still actively pursuing nuclear weapons capability. There is no reason to think otherwise. Beyond nuclear weapons, Iraq has actively pursued biological and chemical weapons.U.N. inspectors have said that Iraq’s claims about biological weapons is neither credible nor verifiable. In 1986, Iraq used chemical weapons against Iran, and later, against its own Kurdish population. While weapons inspections have been successful in the past, there have been no inspections since the end of 1998. There can be no doubt that Iraq has continued to pursue its goal of obtaining weapons of mass destruction.” — Patty Murray, October 9, 2002
“As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, I am keenly aware that the proliferation of chemical and biological weapons is an issue of grave importance to all nations. Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process.” — Nancy Pelosi, December 16, 1998
“Even today, Iraq is not nearly disarmed. Based on highly credible intelligence, UNSCOM [the U.N. weapons inspectors] suspects that Iraq still has biological agents like anthrax, botulinum toxin, and clostridium perfringens in sufficient quantity to fill several dozen bombs and ballistic missile warheads, as well as the means to continue manufacturing these deadly agents. Iraq probably retains several tons of the highly toxic VX substance, as well as sarin nerve gas and mustard gas. This agent is stored in artillery shells, bombs, and ballistic missile warheads. And Iraq retains significant dual-use industrial infrastructure that can be used to rapidly reconstitute large-scale chemical weapons production.” — Ex-Un Weapons Inspector Scott Ritter in 1998
“There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years. And that may happen sooner if he can obtain access to enriched uranium from foreign sources — something that is not that difficult in the current world. We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction.” — John Rockefeller, Oct 10, 2002
“Saddams existing biological and chemical weapons capabilities pose a very real threat to America, now. Saddam has used chemical weapons before, both against Iraqs enemies and against his own people. He is working to develop delivery systems like missiles and unmanned aerial vehicles that could bring these deadly weapons against U.S. forces and U.S. facilities in the Middle East.” — John Rockefeller, Oct 10, 2002
“Whether one agrees or disagrees with the Administrations policy towards Iraq, I dont think there can be any question about Saddams conduct. He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do. He lies and cheats; he snubs the mandate and authority of international weapons inspectors; and he games the system to keep buying time against enforcement of the just and legitimate demands of the United Nations, the Security Council, the United States and our allies. Those are simply the facts.” — Henry Waxman, Oct 10, 2002
Treasoncrats are all for unilateral bombing campaigns as long as they have their finger on the button, but if there is a Republican in office then they’re against it (IF it’s politically expedient for them)
Um, WMD’s had already been found buried in the desert years ago. Artilary shells packed with sarin gas, mustard gas, and anthrax were dug up by U.S. troops. They had been buried for such a long time that the materials were degraded beyond their usefulness as a WMD, but there were found. This was (very briefly) reported in the news, but the Lame Stream media mostly ignored this. My son’s unit also found some things related to WMD’s but he couldn’t give details. Perhaps one day the truth will come out (I’ll probably be long gone by then).
IIRC Bush didn’t publicize it much and went around looking like he lied about them in the first place.
If Bush had a major problem, it was his ability (inability) to communicate to the American people just what was happening in Iraq, and what was found. I’m not sure how much he’s to blame and how much the liberal media and congress is to blame.
Any lie that makes it into the media needs to be countered. That was Bush’s fault (for real). He let the accusations go unchallenged for the most part. I don’t recall him going on the tube with a summary of the evidence. Meanwhile every loon in the country was spouting the Bush lied BS.
That was known about from the first Gulf war and was kept under lock and key and was monitored by the IAEA.
From your link:
Israeli warplanes bombed a reactor project at the site in 1981. Later, U.N. inspectors documented and safeguarded the yellowcake, which had been stored in aging drums and containers since before the 1991 Gulf War. There was no evidence of any yellowcake dating from after 1991, the official said.
Here is a copy of my file letter discussing the irrelevancy of WMD position to bringing down Hussein's regime.
Allegedly the war against Hussein was resumed based on his possession of WMDs. Actually, the ceasefire ended and war resumed, because he behaved in material breach of international obligations as reaffirmed in Resolution 1441. Nowhere in Congressional resolutions of 1991, 1998 and 2002, or in U.N. Resolutions 678, 687 and 1441 will you see possession of stockpiles of WMDs as a reason for confronting him with military action. Behavior in terms of threats, evasion, intimidation, and past use, not possession, was always the key. He was to unconditionally accept destruction or removal of all stocks and programs for WMDs and for all missiles over 150-mile range. He was enjoined from committing, supporting or providing safe haven for international terrorism. Bush #1, U.N. and Clinton ignored his continuous material breaches as inspectors resorted to surveillance and investigation to destroy material and programs until Hussein expelled them in 1998.
None of these resolutions were cobbled together like a middle schoolers term paper. Diplomats and politicians laboriously parsed each phrase for clear focus on verbs instead of nouns, behaviors not stockpiles. The U.N.s ultimatum in Resolutions 678 and 1441 authorized disarming Husseins regime through military operations in Iraq to restore international peace and security in the area. U.N. precedent from Korean War ensured the above phrase intended invasion of Iraq. Everyone in the Security Council and Congress understood that a further material breach required ending the ceasefire, and resuming the war authorized by resolution 678.
We telegraphed our intent far enough in advance that Saddam could have hidden the Great Pyramid, had that been the subject of our concern.
In Syria; or Iran; or Pakistan; or Afghanistan; or Azerbaijan; or Turkmenistan; or even Turkey, Jordan or Saudi Arabia.
How brain-dead must people have to be not see the obvious?
funny, I was thinking the same thing. It’s got that Chinese aero shape about it.
Fortunately, we didn't elect the media to safeguard our national security and national safety. We elected presidents and Congresses.
If they failed, seeing that ignorance and incompetene are not prosecuteable crimes, treason is the only alternative.
Apparently the dimocRATS relied heavily upon their brain-dead followers to believe every lie they told about how Bush lied the U.S. into the war in Iraq. And, obviously, it worked well for them.
Iraq WMDs ping.
Every time the subject of the WMDs in Iraq comes up the media reminds me of Danny DeVito’s character in the movie Johnny Dangerously.
Young Lawyer: I’ve got all the evidence to convict Johnny Dangerously.
Corrupt DA: It doesn’t look good.
Young Lawyer: But it’s all here! Fingerprints, eye witness accounts, ballsitics tests, blood samples ...
Corrupt DA: It’s flimsy. It’s never hold up in court. Why don’t you take a vacation?
The precursors to make Chemical Weapons are buried in the Anbar province.
The Bush administration’s PR on this has been so mishandled and drowned in the sea of negativity, that at some point the Democrats’ and media’s constantly moving goal posts of proof of “found WMDs in Iraq” became a long-range 1 month-fresh WMD-armed missiles on a launch pad within 10-mile radius of Baghdad... or something like that.
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