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To: butterdezillion
butter,

You are incorrect about one fact.

An amendment to Obama’s birth certificate would be noted ONLY on his Long Form BC.

There is actually a box on the Long Form BC, in the lower left corner, that requires a statement of pertinent facts, plus the name of the official who approved the amendment.

Hawaii's Short Form Birth Certificate, which is what the Obama campaign released in 2007, ONLY reproduces the information from the Long Form.

The Short Form does NOT tell you if the information has been amended or not.

Also...

Do I understand you correctly....

You have documentary evidence, a receipt, that shows Obama made a payment to Hawaii to amend his Long Form Birth Certificate?

That's staggering...if it's real.

Please link to it or post it immediately.

11 posted on 02/07/2010 9:50:19 PM PST by zeestephen
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To: zeestephen

The Certification of Live Birth is, according to the Administrative Rules, actually called an Abbreviated Birth Certificate. Those same rules say that a note of amendments must be included on certificates. I’ve asked the DOH whether the COLB is considered a verification and it’s not. If it’s not a verification it is an abbreviated certificate and as such it must contain note of amendments.

I believe this is why the DOH refuses to release, to anyone who requests them, the non-certified copies of abbreviated birth certificates as authorized by the Administrative Rules and thus required to be released under UIPA. They know that on any certificate they print out, the amendment has to be noted. They want to act as though the release of index data is the same thing but it isn’t - precisely because index data doesn’t indicate the filing status of the record, which is why a person would want to see the certificate itself. The certificate has to have that note - even if it is an abbreviated certificate (COLB).

To back up what I’m saying, scroll down to the bottom of the first post by rxsid to see a COLB with note of an amendment on it. See http://forums.military.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/4960045241001/m/3400069332001

I do not have the receipts because when the receipts still existed in September of 2009, the DOH refused to disclose them to Terri K, saying that they were exempt from disclosure because of UIPA’s privacy exemption. But the fact that they refused to disclose them means that they existed. The only way to deny access without admitting that the record exists is to use a Glomar response - “the records, IF ANY, are protected from disclosure”. Without the “if any” phrase, a denial is confirmation that the requested records exist. (This is explained in OIP Opinion Letter 07-01, written in 2007 by the current acting director of the OIP, Cathy Takase).


21 posted on 02/07/2010 10:08:00 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: zeestephen

Oh, zeestephen! Your information contradicts mine.

I’d been informed by someone who knows the procedures in Hawaii that all COLBs produced from amended BCs have to be stamped AMENDED.

Did you work in Hawaii’s DOH?


111 posted on 02/09/2010 7:11:06 PM PST by SatinDoll (NO Foreign Nationals as our President!!)
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