Well, I’m still baffled. I was raised with my dad telling me how it was with Pearl Harbor. I am a conservative in every respect, including loyalty to my country. I have NO leftist ties, but because I am open to at least the premise that our government might do something very bad, because I have a mind that wants to check the facts in a fair setting, that sets me over there with the bad guys? If that floats your boat, nothing I can do about it.
But it does remind me of a certain church I no longer attend. You just couldn’t question certain things. Not even using the Bible. At that point it really came home to me. Who is my authority? Is it the truth, or is it some guy in a pulpit?
Look, I respect if you’ve never had a genuine crisis of confidence in your own government. But if you ever do, remember this. It’s the truth that sets you free, not any political party.
And truth is never a friend to our enemies. C.S. Lewis said something to this effect, that the most effective lies are those which use the truth to convey a falsehood. Leftists want us to question our government right into a state of paralysis, providing them an opening to replace it, after which no further questioning will be permitted. I get that. The US has done great good in the world, and that despite the despicable persons we sometimes put in office. It gives me true confidence in the sovereignty of God.
What I would like my fellow FReepers to get is that we cannot use the very real danger of harming our government through extreme distrust as an excuse to remain willfully blind to potentially severe abuses of that government’s authority. It’s a tightrope walk; it isn’t easy, but it is essential to the preservation of our freedoms.
So then, would you say that me believing my dad’s Pearl Harbor stories from his naval cryptography days, is a disqualification for public office? If so, please elaborate. Because thus far, you have not made your case.
I think the problem is everyone looks at it very black and white. I believe what happened on September 11th was probably something like an episode of 24. Meaning, yes, there were clandestine operators in high up places who helped facilitate the attack. I think we know about 20 percent of what is really happening on any given day.
Hey pal, I would have no difficulty in believeing that the Klinton admin had something to do with a terror op, since they clearly were involved in the Murrah building explosion, and the murders of Vince foster, and Ron Brown, among others. But the "truthers" aren't even saying that; they wish to hang it on George Bush, who hadn't been in office long enough to even get his cabinet and advisors in place, or retract the Gorelic memo that had enabled the terorists to operate freely here since 1993.
>> truth is never a friend to our enemies.
There is no truth in “trutherism”. Don’t mistake the title of the movement for a descriptor of its content.
Lies are often a friend to our enemies — as are the intentional purveyors of those lies, and the gullible folks that fall for them.
>> but because I am open to at least the premise that our government might do something very bad, because I have a mind that wants to check the facts in a fair setting, that sets me over there with the bad guys?
The gullible among their ranks are still among their ranks. Look at who is standing around you — Rosie O’Donnell, Alex Jones, Van Jones, Amy Goodman, etc. — and tell me if you’re among the bad guys.
>> So then, would you say that me believing my dad’s Pearl Harbor stories from his naval cryptography days, is a disqualification for public office? If so, please elaborate. Because thus far, you have not made your case.
I will admit to lack of education about Pearl Harbor and conspiracy theories surrounding it ... but I view any such theories with severe skepticism (which, by the way, would’ve been a reasonable answer by Medina if she truly was uneducated about the “truther” movement).
My comments were, and are, specifically regarding the 9-11 “truth” movement. Trying to extrapolate to “all questioning” of the government, or Pearl Harbor, or whatever does not negate the fact that Medina and some of her supporters are a part of an extremely fringe anti-American propaganda movement.
They have the right to ask whatever questions they want ... and I have the right to think that they are engaging in anti-American propaganda, defacto ineligible for any public office in this country.
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