Wait until they come after our 401k’s ....
Interesting points.
Now, what happens if a state wants to secede from the union? What happens to their pro-rata share of the national debt, unfunded liabilities such as Social Security, etc.? Do their residents still have a claim on benefits such as Social Security? Does that state have to take on their share of the national debt as the price of exiting the union?
There are lots of practical questions which come up with talk of secession, such as national defense, and what to do about military bases in states that secede.
I can imagine, though, that once a state decides to do this, it could provoke a flood of states leaving, if it were decided that the seceding states were out from under the national debt and unfunded liabilities, and that the debt was the responsibility of only the states that stayed in the union.
Why did our Founders move away from the Articles of Confederation and go with the current Constitution and Bill of Rights?
Only problem, all states are as corrupt as the Federal Government and many are even more so.
And there’s a part of me which says that any attempt at secession this time around would not see the same response as it did with Lincoln. I could easily see the Obama-style Democrat simply unable to make the decision to fight for the integrity of the country, as Lincoln perceived the battle, and by time a decision was made, those people in the free states would have already established their right to govern.
The other, darker part of me, could also easily see the Obama-style Democrat labeling any such an effort as a “terrorist” action and then launching a nuclear warhead towards any state capital which seeks that kind of autonomy. At that point, it’ll be a crap shoot whether or not the military will actually follow the order.
Another alternative is equally dark - secession becoming the threat that Lincoln and others warned about, with Balkanized enclaves everywhere, mayhem and fighting among states and quasi-state entities, and people seceeding from the original state and then people inside that group seceeding again. ACORN and the Black Panthers ruling Philadephia; the Chicago machine finally showing its Marxist colors; folks in the Dakotas living among heaps of rotting grain unable to get the food to market; the border with Mexico, in places unguarded, swarming with the Reconquista. Maybe Lincoln wasn’t so wrong after all.
I would like to see the Czechoslovakia plan, personally. The states gather. Your group goes one way; our group goes the other way; we sign an agreement and call it day. Let the left maintain their little kingdoms along the California coast and the Great Lakes and the Northeast, and allow those of us who want limited government and liberty to reform our nation from Alaska to Texas.
I guess we’ll just see. When I keep hearing the word “secession” over and over and over, something is going on.
I think I prefer the Jeffersonians way of dealing with Fedzilla. They did what they needed to, including firing Supreme Court justices to restore intended constitutional balance that was distored by the Federalist notion of government on a whim.
The second coming of Fedzilla was dealt with in much the same way as described in this article, and I don’t believe it resulted in putting it in its place, but rather empowering it and spawning progessive intellectualism. Secession and defeat are not the answer, but the pathway to something even more terrible than we can imagine.
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The states are not the issue. The governments of the blue states are not the issue. The federal government itself is not the issue. What and who we are seceding from are the PEOPLE who vote for socialists. The People who teach our kids socialism in school. The PEOPLE, who DEPEND upon socialism for their life styles. Its the PEOPLE who have put these chains on us and it is they who feed off of us by electing politicians who are willing to do their dirty work. Im not sure why you think we would be “throwing away” anything. We have to start somewhere, and you usually start where you can. Once we have a secure foundation we can build upon it... That may mean welcoming in “territories” of people who wish to be free of their “fellow citizens” addiction to their “blood”. Or even entire states of people who were just waiting to see if the scary stories they were being told by the media were true or not.
For those who might of missed this thread. Lond-winded discussions on nullification/seccession.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2446232/posts
Sheer cussed kookiness, like the kind expressed in the above paragraph also played a big part.
Not if the rest of it is as inaccurate as this part is.
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It says something about the American people that virtually no one has ever mentioned secession as the proper response to Roe v. Wade—resulting in the murder of 55 million babies—yet secession is a popular topic when what is at risk is money.