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1 posted on 02/17/2010 9:08:09 AM PST by Palter
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The logic of this is really ridiculous. If one side forces the other to stay when they don’t want to, then those that must stay are nothing more than SLAVES.


137 posted on 02/17/2010 1:03:40 PM PST by nanetteclaret (Unreconstructed Catholic Texan)
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Utimately, in the end, the Second ammendment trumps all.


151 posted on 02/17/2010 1:47:24 PM PST by central_va ( http://www.15thvirginia.org/)
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I was thinking I read somewhere that Texas did have the right of succession, but none of the other states.


172 posted on 02/17/2010 2:53:49 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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What is it with some people? If my neighbor wants to leave, I’ll help him load the truck. With some folks, they will shoot him dead, rather than let him go his own way. How fascist/socialist/nanny state can you get...


212 posted on 02/17/2010 6:22:13 PM PST by Who is John Galt? ("Sometimes I have to break the law in order to meet my management objectives." - Bill Calkins, BLM)
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Don't have the RIGHT to secede?

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

I'm sorry justice Scalia, but you are wrong. If we believe in FREEDOM and LIBERTY, we have the right to form our own type of government. Do YOU beileive that? You may not like that and the US government may try to stop us, but we have that right.

217 posted on 02/17/2010 7:36:04 PM PST by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right..........)
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Secession is not a constitutional right; it is the natural right of all men.

It is, however, not settled in a courtroom, but by force of arms. That doesn’t make it less of a right.


232 posted on 02/18/2010 7:02:01 AM PST by B Knotts (Calvin Coolidge Republican)
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Of course we have the right to secede. It may not be a right defined by the constitution but it is a Natural Right that trumps any and all documents created by man. Even the constitution.

"When, in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bonds which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and of nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness."

The consent of the governed can be given, and in the case of repeated abuse, withdrawn...

"Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security."

You may attempt to argue that the abuses have not reached the point for people to withdraw their consent, but you may NOT argue that the right of the people to actually withdraw their consent and abolish the political bonds that ties them to others does not exist.

234 posted on 02/18/2010 7:12:55 AM PST by myself6
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When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

261 posted on 02/19/2010 8:56:32 AM PST by cbkaty (I may not always post...but I am always here......)
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When the time comes, it will not matter a wit what the federal government has to say about anything... Let their members chew on hot lead.

The Civil War settled nothing, except to set in stone the antagonistic axiom that the so-called “federal” government is composed of the most caustic tyrants, whose ability to pursue evil in the name of their pompous notions of “justice” is without equal.

The Declaration of Independence makes the issue of severance exceedingly clear. If the SCOTUS, or any other parasitic whore clinging to the bastardized fascist bulwark that fancies itself a “federal” government, believes it may escape the precedent set by the Declaration, then the Constitution must be utterly without merit. For the latter could not exist without the former.

As usual, the “federal” government demonstrates its rampant hypocrisy. The only way by which this present cabal of tyrants will learn the word “NO” is through force of arms... and the sooner the better.


267 posted on 02/19/2010 6:10:02 PM PST by TCH (DON'T BE AN "O-HOLE"! ... DEMAND YOUR STATE ENACT ITS SOVEREIGNTY !)
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