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Scott Brown fumes over health plan
Boston Herald ^ | 2/23/10 | Jay Fitzgerald

Posted on 02/23/2010 8:02:41 AM PST by raccoonradio

Sen. Scott Brown yesterday warned the Obama administration against using the “nuclear option” of ramming through Congress a revised $1 trillion health-care bill outlined yesterday by the White House.

The administration unveiled what’s already being called “Obamacare II” - a mix of already approved House and Senate health-care legislation aimed at expanding coverage for 31 million Americans.

Obama’s plan also includes caps on excessive insurance-premium increases, similar to measures Gov. Deval Patrick proposed two weeks ago in Massachusetts.

A spokesman for Brown, whose dramatic Senate victory last month halted Capitol Hill momentum for health-care reform, said Democrats better not try to use a reconciliation strategy to pass the bill with a simple Senate majority.

Brown vowed during his campaign that he would be the crucial “41st vote” to kill reform legislation under the Senate’s supermajority-vote rules.

“If the Democrats try to ram their health-care bill through Congress using reconciliation, they are sending a dangerous signal to the American people that they will stop at nothing to raise our taxes, increase premiums and slash Medicare,” said Brown spokesman Colin Reed in a statement. “Using the nuclear option damages the concept of representative leadership and represents more of the politics-as-usual that voters have repeatedly rejected.”

While Brown’s office didn’t specifically reject Obama’s latest bill, there was no doubt Brown views the proposal as similar to earlier health-care plans backed by Democrats, even though he reached across the aisle to support a major jobs bill yesterday.

The administration faces an uphill bid to win the bill’s passage in Congress, where many Democrats were scared away from backing reform after Brown’s victory.

A spokesman for the White House said the plan is an “opening bid” for a planned bipartisan summit on Thursday.

In a statement, Patrick, whose office dodged questions about whether Obama lifted the premium-cap idea from his Democratic ally in Massachusetts, praised the president’s legislation and vowed to work for health-care reform.

“President Obama clearly recognizes health-care expansion must include cost-control initiatives to help working families and businesses that are drowning in higher premiums,” said Patrick, who was in Washington yesterday.


TOPICS: Extended News; Front Page News; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 111th; 2010; bhofascism; browm; brown; democrats; healthcare; nuclearoption; obama; obamacare; obamacare2; obamacareii; reconciliation; scottbrown; socializedmedicine
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PICTURE CAPTION of what could have been:

Sen. Martha Coakley (D-MA) smiles broadly as she stands behind President Obama, as Obama signed the massive health care bill she helped to pass.

>>where many Democrats were scared away from backing reform after Brown’s victory.

Repeat:

>>where many Democrats were scared away from backing reform after Brown’s victory.

1 posted on 02/23/2010 8:02:41 AM PST by raccoonradio
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To: raccoonradio

Let those who were first to bash Brown after his vote yesterday remember the meaning of the word “independent”.


2 posted on 02/23/2010 8:04:10 AM PST by bigbob
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To: raccoonradio

Yesterday, Scott Brown voted for the democrats jobs bill, he is a RINO.


3 posted on 02/23/2010 8:04:35 AM PST by stockpirate (Hey Beck, Thomas Jefferson was a birther!)
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To: stockpirate
Yesterday, Scott Brown voted for the democrats jobs bill, he is a RINO.

Ben Nelson (D) voted against it.....what's that make him?

4 posted on 02/23/2010 8:05:32 AM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: bigbob

Independents elected Scott Brown not Republicrats


5 posted on 02/23/2010 8:05:59 AM PST by ninonitti
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To: stockpirate

That was a much reduced bill less than what the Republican leadership wanted.
So let’s not try to wield that as a weapon.

This is the core issue and Scott Brown is on the money here. Let’s applaud him for standing up to Obama here.


6 posted on 02/23/2010 8:06:28 AM PST by romanesq (For George Soros so loved the world, he gave us Obama)
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To: raccoonradio

Or what? He won’t vote for the next Democrat garbage bill? He’ll hold his breath?


7 posted on 02/23/2010 8:06:33 AM PST by Ingtar (I closed my eyes, only for a moment, and the moment's gone...)
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To: Puppage

Still a RINO.


9 posted on 02/23/2010 8:06:58 AM PST by Ingtar (I closed my eyes, only for a moment, and the moment's gone...)
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To: Puppage

That makes him trying to save his soul in his home state. Remember he was booed out of a pizza joint by his fellow home towners for his health care vote.

It also shows how bad the bill is.


10 posted on 02/23/2010 8:07:03 AM PST by stockpirate (Hey Beck, Thomas Jefferson was a birther!)
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To: romanesq

I will hold on that support on Brown to see just what he really does in this case.


11 posted on 02/23/2010 8:09:01 AM PST by stockpirate (Hey Beck, Thomas Jefferson was a birther!)
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To: raccoonradio

the jobs bill eventually would have likely passed anyway (else be accused in MSM of voting against “jobs”), and Brown has to keep largely liberal Mass voters on his side if we are going to hold back this Socialist tide. I can give him a mulligan on that one.


12 posted on 02/23/2010 8:09:13 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Baynative

I agree with you on that.


13 posted on 02/23/2010 8:09:29 AM PST by stockpirate (Hey Beck, Thomas Jefferson was a birther!)
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To: bigbob

What is independent about more spending.

He specifically spoke against more spending.

Two faced is more like it.

Sorry, he scammed a lot of folks who don’t want their children saddled with trillions of dollars of debt.


14 posted on 02/23/2010 8:09:39 AM PST by Carley
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To: ninonitti

If you mean unenrolleds, the term in MA, yes. I am one. I voted for him. He did not run ads saying “I will vote in lockstep with the Republicans on every issue” His opponent rans ads saying he would, actually...he will be with us on most votes.


15 posted on 02/23/2010 8:12:16 AM PST by raccoonradio
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To: stockpirate

That Jobs bill is “peanuts”. I doesn’t amount to a fly speck in the overall scheme of things and their are a few decent things in it. The big fight is Health care and on that, Brown has it right.


16 posted on 02/23/2010 8:13:57 AM PST by Old Retired Army Guy (tHE)
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To: romanesq
That was a much reduced bill less than what the Republican leadership wanted.

Good point. McConnell and company backed a much more expensive "jobs bill."

17 posted on 02/23/2010 8:15:23 AM PST by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Pat Caddell: Democrats are drinking kool-aid in a political Jonestown)
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To: Old Retired Army Guy

I hope you are right and Brown stays his ground.


18 posted on 02/23/2010 8:15:28 AM PST by stockpirate (Hey Beck, Thomas Jefferson was a birther!)
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To: stockpirate
That makes him trying to save his soul in his home state.

That was my first thought as well.

19 posted on 02/23/2010 8:16:46 AM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: stockpirate

Yes

NEWS FROM THE FUTURE: Nov 2012

BOSTON—The Mass. U.S. Senate seat pits incumbent Republican Scott Brown against Dem. nominee Joe Kennedy IV, the son of former Congressman Joe Kennedy. It is a close race and some feel that conservatives in this state will hand the race to Kennedy as they feel Brown is “Republican in name only”....


20 posted on 02/23/2010 8:18:12 AM PST by raccoonradio
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To: raccoonradio
Lyndsey Graham is a Mini MeCain!

And

Scott Brown is is Mini-Me Romney.

I guess in liberal MA Romney & Brown really do think they are conservatives.

21 posted on 02/23/2010 8:18:30 AM PST by TexasCajun
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To: bigbob
So is Brown the 41st voter or the 61st?
22 posted on 02/23/2010 8:18:44 AM PST by Americanexpat
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To: bigbob

I stated categorically yesterday that Brown’s vote for cloture on the jobs bill guaranteed his opposition to BOcare.

Same for Collins and Snowe.

These senators want to be seen as independent, free agents. It’s not ideal but OK with me if they get the important votes right.


23 posted on 02/23/2010 8:22:22 AM PST by mwl8787
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To: stockpirate

He is from MA. Get over it.


24 posted on 02/23/2010 8:24:12 AM PST by indianrightwinger
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To: mwl8787

I can’t beleive that Blanche Lincoln voted for it.


25 posted on 02/23/2010 8:24:14 AM PST by scooby321
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To: ninonitti

Your statement, my friend is right on the money. Scott Brown was elected as an independent, and he is following that path of doing what he believes best for our nation and his voters back home in Massachusetts. His assessment of
“Obamacare” is right on the money again, with his own beliefs, followed by the beliefs of the overwhelming number of Massachusetts voters. While, I, personally believe the “Reid” jobs bill will do zilch for our ailing economy, I am glad that we finally have a politician that votes his conviction, along with strong voter support from home. At least Senator Scott Brown places job creation where it rightfully belongs, as his number one priority on his agenda, unlike socialist, communist, facist POTUS Obama and his “destroy the American economy” Democrat Party. Obama and his America destroyers, Ayres, Wright Alinsky, etc. could care less about creating jobs and the continuing failing American economy. The destruction of American jobs (private sector) is exactly what they and their Democrat Party are hoping and plotting for!!!


26 posted on 02/23/2010 8:24:19 AM PST by JLAGRAYFOX
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To: raccoonradio

Brown never portrayed himself as a die hard conservative. He campaigned as an anti-establishment independent Republican - from Massachusetts no less. How can you NOT expect him to consider voting for a jobs bill like this considering his campaign rhetoric to help get congress moving on job creation/helping the economy.

I am not worried about this jobs bill vote, health care will be the issue.


27 posted on 02/23/2010 8:26:48 AM PST by MCOAvalanche
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To: Puppage

“Ben Nelson (D) voted against it.....what’s that make him?”

Saving his ass.


28 posted on 02/23/2010 8:28:07 AM PST by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: Puppage
Ben Nelson (D) voted against it.....what's that make him?

Scared of his disgruntled Cornhusker constituents who want to tar n feather the creep.

29 posted on 02/23/2010 8:28:42 AM PST by tflabo (Restore the Republic)
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To: Old Retired Army Guy

AGREED!


30 posted on 02/23/2010 8:29:19 AM PST by ThomasMore (Patrick Henry and Joe Wilson...Patriots past and present!)
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To: bigbob

You guys are forgetting the oldest rule of politics which coincides with the oldest profession. _ _ _ _ your customers not yourself. Republicans and Democrats see their own political survival first and foremost as their value. They are going to find a way to have health care get caught up and not come to a vote, because they will be out in 2012 or their next term. The effect will not be at voting time...no no... it will be much sooner. Money flow. There will be no money into their accounts and tons funneling into their opponents accounts. Which will mean they will actually have to campaign in their districts to survive. And incumbents do not like to have to stoop so low as to go back to their home districts to ask for “their “ job back.
The dems will not pass this, or fund it if they do. They will not go down on Obamas sinking ship.


31 posted on 02/23/2010 8:31:00 AM PST by Walkingfeather
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To: raccoonradio

Half a loaf is better than none. We all knew Brown was a Northeastern Republican - that’s the best we’re going to get from there, for now. That’s just reality.


32 posted on 02/23/2010 8:31:35 AM PST by alicewonders
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To: romanesq
That was a much reduced bill less than what the Republican leadership wanted.

The "cost" of the Republican bill included tax cuts.

Of course, even tax cuts won't save us right now. The problem is Health Care, Cap 'n' Trade, Card Check and the various minions in the administration who plan to regulate any business out of existence.

Who wants to hire or expand in that environment.

33 posted on 02/23/2010 8:32:58 AM PST by AmishDude
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To: raccoonradio

Shut up, Scott. As though anyone would believe you after you railed against excessive spending, and then voted for a job ‘stimulus’ bill!!!!


34 posted on 02/23/2010 8:33:05 AM PST by rintense (Only dead fish go with the flow, which explains why Congress stinks.)
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To: bigbob

Scott Brown is just like a partially rotten apple-—the kind where you cut out the rotten section to make the rest of it ok.


35 posted on 02/23/2010 8:33:40 AM PST by tflabo (Restore the Republic)
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To: stockpirate

He is a Mass. Republican. He is vastly better than the alternative. I thank God we have him there, while disagreeing with many of his individual policies.

If you insist on too much purity, you’ll have 25 pure Republicans in the Senate - who cannot do squat!


36 posted on 02/23/2010 8:36:07 AM PST by Mr Rogers (I loathe the ground he slithers on!)
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To: Puppage
Ben Nelson (D) voted against it.....what's that make him?
Another Democrat douche-bag in fear for his job?
37 posted on 02/23/2010 8:38:18 AM PST by Scutter
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To: bigbob

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA-Men!!!!


38 posted on 02/23/2010 8:38:46 AM PST by cubreporter (Scott Brown turned it all around. The people CAN and DID make a difference!!!)
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To: stockpirate

Actually, the Republicans wanted everything in the bill that Scott Brown voted for and MORE. I am withholding judgement on Mr. Brown. I think he has some tricks up his sleeve, many of them that may please you.


39 posted on 02/23/2010 8:38:56 AM PST by AlanD
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To: bigbob
"Let those who were first to bash Brown after his vote yesterday remember the meaning of the word “independent”. "

Oh, we remember...our kids will remember...THEIR kids will remember...their GRANDKIDS will remember...we'll all remember it was an "INDEPENDENT" who helped put them in debt for the next 100 years.

Oh, and I think the ballot said, "Scott Brown (R)"...not "indpendent".

It is abundently clear that his big push against obamacare is based on his support for "romneycare"...of which there is very little difference.

But, as long as brown can whip obama in a game of one-on-one, I guess it's ok to the peopleBOTS out there.
40 posted on 02/23/2010 8:40:42 AM PST by FrankR (Those of us who love AMERICA far outnumber those who love obama - your choice.)
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To: raccoonradio

Socialists arguing over the spoils.


41 posted on 02/23/2010 8:41:38 AM PST by EternalVigilance (TATBO - "Throw All The Bums Out")
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To: raccoonradio

“BOSTON—The Mass. U.S. Senate seat pits incumbent Republican Scott Brown against Dem. nominee Joe Kennedy IV, the son of former Congressman Joe Kennedy. It is a close race and some feel that conservatives in this state will hand the race to Kennedy as they feel Brown is “Republican in name only”....”

Unfortunately, some conservatives would rather have a Rat than a Rino.


42 posted on 02/23/2010 8:42:23 AM PST by imskylark
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To: stockpirate

Hey, if he votes correctly 85% of the time, that’s way more than old Fat Teddy did, and probably above what Coakley would have.


43 posted on 02/23/2010 8:52:26 AM PST by b4its2late (A Liberal is a person who will give away everything he doesn't own.)
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To: JLAGRAYFOX

>>Scott Brown was elected as an independent, and he is following that path of doing what he believes best for our nation and his voters back home in Massachusetts.<<

I’m toying with an idea. Even if Republicans take back Congress in 2010, we’ll be faced with the Senate filibuster and Obama’s veto pen, i.e., with at least two more years of gridlock (not a bad thing, given the present alternatives.)

Right now, middle of the road Democrats in Congress are scared stiff of their current path, knowing that many of them are likely to be voted out of office in November. Why? Because Pelosi/Reid/Obama are way too far left and refuse to govern to the center.

So, what would happen if the Dems in Congress dumped their current leadership in favor of leaders more in the “Blue Dog” vein? If they did that, Republican leadership would almost certainly sit down with them and start hammering out some commonsense solutions to the health care mess we now have. The result might be a series of bills that actually begin to attack the problem.

But for the Dems, the result would be that, while they are likely to lose some seats, they would probably retain many that they are now in serious jeopardy. For the Republicans, their ideas make it into the hopper and actually come out the other end in a palatable form. And for the rest of us, something finally gets done that isn’t in the far left Pelosi/Reid mold.

As for Obama, I have every confidence that he will sign absolutely anything he’s presented, as long as he can take credit for it. Cynical, but I think accurate.

What I really like about this is that, besides the fact that it would probably work as I’ve described (much as welfare reform occurred under Clinton once a middle ground was found after the 94 election) it clearly puts the onus on the current Democrats in Congress to make the first move and repudiate their current leadership. Maybe once they realize that 3/4 of the voters in the country would be standing and cheering them as they did so, a majority of them will actually try it.

Anyone got thoughts on this? Serious ones, not just calling me an idiot, etc., for coming up with something that might leave the Dems in control of Congress, something that might happen anyway, don’t forget.


44 posted on 02/23/2010 8:52:54 AM PST by Norseman (Term Limits: 8 years is enough!)
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To: Mr Rogers

It is very good politically that Reid got his ridiculous jobs bill past cloture. This eliminates the “Washington is broken” nonsense from the MSM and makes opposition to BOcare that much easier.

Notice that only 30 GOP senators voted against cloture. The GOP did not mount a vigorous opposition. This bill is small potatoes compared to what is coming with BOcare.


45 posted on 02/23/2010 8:57:06 AM PST by mwl8787
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To: b4its2late

I agree with that.


46 posted on 02/23/2010 8:57:31 AM PST by stockpirate (Hey Beck, Thomas Jefferson was a birther!)
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To: alicewonders
Half a loaf is better than none

It's good that kennedy is gone. OK, and I expect a little liberal-ness to placate regional voters, but no more spending was part of his platform and to say $15 billion is inconsequential and to give him a pass, IMO is still chipping away at the foundations of this country. So I guess half is better than none?

On the health care issue, Brown will support abortion, true?

47 posted on 02/23/2010 8:58:01 AM PST by existtoexcel
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To: Old Retired Army Guy
The jobs bill may be "peanuts" when it stands alone, but a whole buncha aye votes on "peanuts" bills will soon add up to a whole crapload of debt forced onto taxpayers.

Scott Brown needs to keep that in mind every day he goes to work.

48 posted on 02/23/2010 9:02:33 AM PST by onemiddleamerican (FUBO - and all your terrorist buddies, too!)
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To: raccoonradio

After yesterday it is clear Brown will vote for a “new and improved” healtcare bill.


49 posted on 02/23/2010 9:05:45 AM PST by roses of sharon (I can do all things through Him who strengthens me. Philippians 4:13)
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To: raccoonradio

I don’t care about “fuming”, I care about VOTES. So far he is a disappointment. It will take more than “fuming” to change my opinion.


50 posted on 02/23/2010 9:08:25 AM PST by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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