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To: Tarpon
"How do you budget reconcile for a non-existent program?"

You're apply logic to a political process. Mistake number one.

So long as the President doesn't sign the Reconciliation Bill first, they (the Congress, to include both Houses) can pass legislation in whatever order they choose. While it's not frequently talked about, it's within the Speaker's authority to hold bills before being sent to the WH for signature. The only time such maneuvers are attempted, is usually when the majority is engaging in some Parliamentary shenanigans.

16 posted on 02/23/2010 1:37:44 PM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: OldDeckHand
But the ‘new program’ cannot become real until it's signed by the Pres. I am aware of bills being held by either the Senate or the House for any reason, but to be real and final they must be signed by the Pres.. It is only then that reconciliation, budgeting can take place, because they have to reference the programs the budgets will be applied to.

So in essence, the Speaker is holding the passed unsigned not real bill hostage until the Senate signs off on the reconciliation of a non-existent program.

Lies are easy to understand ...

Article 1 Section 7:

All bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills.

Every Bill which shall have passed the House of Representatives and the Senate, shall, before it become a Law, be presented to the President of the United States;

So as I see it, since the Senate passed the bill first, the taxes contained within are un-Constitutional. Followed by the un-Constitutional procedure of not allowing the bill to be signed by the Pres, but held hostage to insure the Senate acts.

Every Bill which shall have passed the House of Representatives and the Senate, shall, before it become a Law, be presented to the President of the United States;

And so who in the Senate is going to stop this un-Constitutional procedure? And what can we do ... we should not allow this clearly un-Constitutional procedure to take place. We should squawk most loudly against this clear Constitutional violation.

Yes, no ??

36 posted on 02/23/2010 2:00:17 PM PST by Tarpon ( ...)
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