[ODDITHER]

It may not be the BC that has the problems per se.

Let’s play pretend for a minute(as apposed to starting a rumor). We know there are things Barry is hiding, and we know they are serious enough that he has hired defense attorneys and is willing to pay those defense attorneys more than a million dollars to prevent the electorate from finding out what he is hiding. We know it is more than bad grades or following the wrong crowd. It must be something as serious as identity theft or fraud if not his natural born status.

Let’s pretend it is a combination of both. Barry is not Barak Heussin Obama (legally) and he represented himself as a foreigner (barry Soetero) to gain scholarships and money from the government.

Let’s pretend that his Mother was single at the time Barry was born in Haiwaii and he was named Barry Dunham. His Mother then married an Indonesian and Barry was adopted in Indonesia by his Step Father and became Barry Soetero and his mother became an Indonesian citizen at the same time.
We know that he went by Barry Soetero in Indonesia and we know that the government did not allow duel citizenship, forcing his mother to give up her citizenship along with little Barry’s. She may has gone so far as having his BC sealed which would strike out the Haiwaii birth and register that he was born in Indonesia.

Little Barry and his mother came back from Indonesia to Haiwaii. Did little Barry go on using his Indonesian passport and was he given special scholarships to grade school and college based on being Indonesian?

Did he change his name legally to Barak Obama after being Barry Soetero and Barry Dunham?

Did he legally gain his citizenship back after he returned to Haiwaii?

What does an adoption do for/to the “natural born” citizenship?

Is he hiding the fact that he represented himself as a foreign student of several years?

Could a natural born citizen who was adopted by a foreigner and lived in the foreign country re-gain his natural born status without another adoption or a court proceeding of some kind?

Can a natural born citizen use a foreign passport as identification and use that identification to obtain scholarships, avoid income tax, and registering for the draft and still be considered natural born?

If his birth certificate was never issued to one Barak Obama and he has no legal court documents changing his name could he legally run for president using that name?

[sometime lurker]

We know that he went by Barry Soetero in Indonesia and we know that the government did not allow duel citizenship, forcing his mother to give up her citizenship along with little Barry’s...

What does an adoption do for/to the “natural born” citizenship?

Many good questions, but these two points have been clarified on these threads many times. The U.S. State Department is very clear on a few points:

A parent can not give up citizenship for a minor.

In order for a minor to give up citizenship, the consular official must be convinced the minor fully understands the consequences and implications of the renunciation.

Marriage to or adoption by a foreign national does not affect US citizenship.

Indonesian law as to dual citizenship does not affect US law. Unless the US citizen formally renounces US citizenship in front of a consular official, or commits treason, or a very few other circumstances, the person remains a US citizen.

You can see all this here.

[Kenny Bunk]

If it turns out that Barry was indeed born in Hawaii, which is entirely possible, of course, there is nothing his mother could have done to have his citizenship removed or altered. Even if he became an Indonesian citizen as a minor, and then returned, he would still have a claim to US Citizenship. Just the way it is. Even if he neglected to take certain legal steps, etc. etc., the citizenship would be his.

Barry has spent a mint of Soros'money, and tax payer money on legal fees, but bottom line, the actions were brought in all the wrong courts by all the wrong lawyers on behalf of all the wrong defendants.

Legally speaking, the Orly Taitz escapades, etc. never had a shot. Now, thanks to Judge Carter instructing everyone on the proper jurisdiction for these cases, i.e., The Federal District Court in DC, and the work of Apuzzo and Donofrio, we are finally getting somewwhere on the most easily proven aspects of the case against Obama's eligibility.

Remember, Obama has NEVER claimed to be a Natural Born Citizen. All he claims is Native Born Citizenship. What ALL of this is about is his attempt to confuse the two for as long as possible. I think he'll succeed until 2012.

It has worked very well for him. The varuious fraudulent escapades, i.e., collecting funds for being a "foreign student" while possibly true just mean he is a fraudulent citizen!

No matter what, the only way he can be removed from office is by Impeachment and Conviction. He is, IMHO, POTUS de facto, even if not de jure.