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11.3 million homeowners underwater on mortgage
MarketWatch ^ | Feb. 23, 2010 | Rex Nutting,

Posted on 02/24/2010 2:58:14 PM PST by george76

More than 11.3 million homeowners -- nearly one-fourth of all Americans with a mortgage -- owe more on their loan than their home is now worth...

More than 10% of people with mortgages owe 25% more than their home is worth.

The number of underwater mortgages increased by about 620,000 from the third quarter... Another 2.3 million mortgages had less than 5% equity in their home, which could be wiped out if home prices fall further.

Underwater mortgages are concentrated in few states: California, Florida, Nevada, Arizona, Michigan and Georgia. In Nevada, 70% of mortgages were underwater. In California, more than a third of mortgages were underwater.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Arizona; US: California; US: Florida; US: Georgia; US: Michigan; US: Nevada
KEYWORDS: housingmarket; mortgages; obama; obamanomics; underwater; unexpected
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To: Neidermeyer
Many people think their problems will end with foreclosure. In FL, you still owe the amount on the promissory note. The effect of the burst real estate bubble will resonate for decades.

My parents were children during the Great Depression. That and WWII were the defining events of their lives. While I do not equate the RE bust with the Great Depression or WWII, I suspect that the bust will have similar effects on many who will spend decades getting themselves out of debt. While paying debt they do not buy as many consumer goods and thus are something of a drag on an economy that relies on consumption.

41 posted on 02/24/2010 4:18:40 PM PST by Jacquerie (Support and defend our Beloved Constitution.)
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To: driftdiver

No, I was underwater in my home during the Texas real estate crash of the late 1980’s and lost my oil field job. However, I did not go whine about my problem and instead worked as a cabbie and a bartender until my industy rebounded and I kept our home.


42 posted on 02/24/2010 4:21:49 PM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: driftdiver
wow must be nice to be sooo smart. I bet you’ve never lost a job or suffered a serious medical issue.

a perfect life must be nice.


And here I though FReepers were all about self-reliance, being responsible, planning ahead for life's pitfalls instead of relying on Big Gov for bailouts - y'know, the things that made Americans fit for self-government. Was I wrong?

C'mon, FRiend, you don't have to read very far in Genesis to learn about fat years and lean years, and to find out what to do in the fat years. Or tune in Dave Ramsey's radio show sometime and learn about the "emergency fund".
43 posted on 02/24/2010 4:26:39 PM PST by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: tiger63
I did my taxes this year and went throught all the credit and deductions selections. I can only pick 2 deductions. My AGI doesn't change throughout the form.

Why not just make the form a three liner?

44 posted on 02/24/2010 4:30:09 PM PST by pfflier
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To: gogogodzilla

Big talk from someone who is living in gov’t housing I’m paying for,, eating food I’m paying for,, wearing clothes I bought for you...


45 posted on 02/24/2010 4:33:54 PM PST by Neidermeyer
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To: trumandogz

Yeah we’ve had this discussion before. It just bothers me when people take joy at other peoples misfortune.


46 posted on 02/24/2010 4:33:59 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: LearsFool

yep, teh bible also talks about wars and disasters. I don’t seem to remember much about Jesus taking glee at those peoples misfortune.


47 posted on 02/24/2010 4:35:11 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Jacquerie

Many people think their problems will end with foreclosure. In FL, you still owe the amount on the promissory note.
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NEGATIVE, FL is a non-recourse / judicial state .. I don’t know where you got that info that the bank gets the house and you still have to pay???

If you know of any nice beach property that is defendable against foreclosure (ie. in a CDO/CMO , recording/assignment issues etc. etc. ) and the mortgagee is both preparing to let it go by default in a foreclosure hearing and they are willing to give a quick claim to me for a nominal fee let me know!! I may not ever own the property but I’ll control it for years and years and rent it by the week/month to vacationers...


48 posted on 02/24/2010 4:41:56 PM PST by Neidermeyer
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To: driftdiver
I don’t seem to remember much about Jesus taking glee at those peoples misfortune.

I don't either. What's your point?
49 posted on 02/24/2010 4:43:31 PM PST by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: LearsFool

All these people in glass houses throwing stones at those who are suffering. very biblical


50 posted on 02/24/2010 4:45:07 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Neidermeyer

“but I’ll control it for years and years and rent it by the week/month to vacationers...”

Sounds good in theory but there are dozens and dozens of empty vacation houses along the beaches. In some places 30% of the homes are empty.


51 posted on 02/24/2010 4:46:42 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Neidermeyer

Big talk from the man whose freedom I’m providing. Maybe you ought to give it up before you criticize.

Oh, wait, without that freedom I’m providing... you WOULDN’T BE ABLE TO.

So, go ahead, save your money.


I’m thinking you wouldn’t recognize this quote, based off your reaction:

“Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.”


52 posted on 02/24/2010 4:53:36 PM PST by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: LearsFool
Which would only be a problem if they had a reason to sell soon... otherwise, it makes ZERO difference.

Normally that would be true, but in this economy, whether you put down 1% or 20%, once you lose your job, you are immediately "underwater". Those who bought only as a home to live in, overpriced or not, and are in this position have my deepest sympathy. Sadly, the situation is not going to improve. I said it before, but it is wort repeating, the 1930s are going to be looked upon as the Golden Years.

53 posted on 02/24/2010 4:55:01 PM PST by Oatka ("A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." –Bertrand de Jouvenel)
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To: driftdiver

No, I don’t think we’re happy at others’ misfortune. But some of us are indeed happy at our good fortune - at least I am. If you have a problem with that, I can’t help you.

And what would you like me to do instead? Decline the opportunity to buy a home now that it’s finally within my reach? It’s those of us who postponed buying in an overpriced market who are and will be propping up the market when it drops to reality.

If you, for instance, bought an overpriced home and now need to dump it, I’m the guy who’s willing to buy it from you. Without buyers like me, the price would drop even further. So take your lumps, learn a hard lesson, and be glad somebody like me lived for years on beans&rice in a rented shack. Otherwise you’d be even worse off.


54 posted on 02/24/2010 4:57:09 PM PST by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: LearsFool

“No, I don’t think we’re happy at others’ misfortune. But some of us are indeed happy at our good fortune”

Sorry, I musta been confused by your rants about their whining stupidity and missed your happiness at your own good fortune.


55 posted on 02/24/2010 4:59:55 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Oatka
Normally that would be true, but in this economy, whether you put down 1% or 20%, once you lose your job, you are immediately "underwater".

Well of course, but now you're bringing in another factor altogether - one which causes difficulties for people in good housing markets as well as bad. We can bring in other such factors if you like, but they would likewise have no bearing on whether someone is willing to buy your home for what you paid for it.
56 posted on 02/24/2010 5:02:27 PM PST by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: driftdiver

No, your confusion is in thinking I ever ranted about their whining stupidity.


57 posted on 02/24/2010 5:04:42 PM PST by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: trumandogz

Me too. I was in Texas as well at the time and took a major hit. Hung in there, continued to pay the mortgage and live in the home and sold it twenty years later and still took a 5K loss. Everyone I knew was in the same boat.


58 posted on 02/24/2010 5:04:48 PM PST by bergmeid (Gas up the truck and pedal to the metal!)
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To: Neidermeyer

Neidermeyer, thanks for your patriotism.


59 posted on 02/24/2010 5:05:56 PM PST by Arkansas Tider (Army EOD)
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To: driftdiver
Well I'm in a weird situation right now. Back in the late 1980s when yuppies were all the rage, I bought my first house. It was a three-bedroom ranch that was literally falling apart. The front lawn was overgrown, the clapboard siding was rotting away, the roof needed repairing, the chimney was falling to pieces and inside the house it was even worse. Drafty windows, no insulation, ugly paneling on the walls (or old lady wallpaper), linoleum floors, urine stains all over the bathroom, and on and on.

Oh how my peers laughed and laughed at me as they bought their fancy condos and lofts and drove around in their fancy luxury cars with Steve Winwood and Bruce Hornsby playing on the stereos. They had their health club memberships and their Caribbean vacations with the umbrella drinks and the young native girls who couldn't say no.

Meanwhile, I'm scraping old-lady wallpaper off the kitchen wall and vacuuming cat turds out of every crevice and dealing with a basement prone to flooding everytime it rains more than an inch. But at least I had no problem making my mortgage payments (which were less than what I had been paying for rent) and my Ford Festiva was paid off and I got to take the kids to Chuck-E Cheese every once in a while.

Oh well, they laughed at me then. But many of them aren't laughing so hard now. Especially since I paid off that house, got another fixer-upper, sold that house at a tidy profit and now live almost mortgage free in a half million dollar house. It's also nice that I don't have to eat at the Chuck-E Cheese anymore.

60 posted on 02/24/2010 5:22:24 PM PST by SamAdams76 (I am 21 days away from outliving Jim Jones)
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