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Liberalism, atheism linked to IQ (CNN propaganda scientists)
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Posted on 02/26/2010 3:18:01 PM PST by boughtwithaprice

Political, religious and sexual behaviors may be reflections of intelligence, a new study finds.

Evolutionary psychologist Satoshi Kanazawa at the the London School of Economics and Political Science correlated data on these behaviors with IQ from a large national U.S. sample and found that, on average, people who identified as liberal and atheist had higher IQs. This applied also to sexual exclusivity in men, but not in women. The findings will be published in the March 2010 issue of Social Psychology Quarterly.

The IQ differences, while statistically significant, are not stunning -- on the order of 6 to 11 points -- and the data should not be used to stereotype or make assumptions about people, experts say. But they show how certain patterns of identifying with particular ideologies develop, and how some people's behaviors come to be.

(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: iq; liberals; mentalillness; moonbats; study

1 posted on 02/26/2010 3:18:01 PM PST by boughtwithaprice
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To: boughtwithaprice
Here: Liberalism, Atheism, Male Sexual Exclusivity Linked to IQ
2 posted on 02/26/2010 3:20:57 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: boughtwithaprice

Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall


3 posted on 02/26/2010 3:23:06 PM PST by LukeL (Yasser Arafat: "I'd kill for a Nobel Peace Prize")
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To: boughtwithaprice

Oh I get it, the old “up is down, down is up” game. Now this so called study makes sense.


4 posted on 02/26/2010 3:23:32 PM PST by gidget7 (Duncan Hunter-Valley Forge Republican!)
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To: boughtwithaprice
Articles that explain how modern liberals suffer from a mental disorder.


5 posted on 02/26/2010 3:23:47 PM PST by TigersEye (It's the Marxism, stupid! ... And they call themselves Progressives.)
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To: boughtwithaprice
It's the opposite.

Liberals run on EMOTIONS; not facts or knowledge.

The same is true of atheists.

6 posted on 02/26/2010 3:24:50 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: boughtwithaprice

Towards the end of the article it seems to say that “liberal” has nothing to do with politics and more about caring for genetically unrelated people.

That does make sense. More intelligent people tend to be more sensitive and have a stronger ‘theory of mind’ (ability to imagine what is happening in the mind of another).


7 posted on 02/26/2010 3:24:57 PM PST by Soothesayer (The United States of America Rest in Peace November 4 2008)
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To: boughtwithaprice
Not a mensa member, but a lot of the brainy types may have a high IQ, but they lack the CS factor!
8 posted on 02/26/2010 3:26:53 PM PST by EBH (The warning bell of Freedom is ringing, can you not hear it?)
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To: nmh
The same is true of atheists.

I have good friends who regard themselves as atheists, meaning that they pretty much don't talk about God because they don't believe He exists.

Now, the "militant" atheists have to talk and scream all of the time about something they believe doesn't exist. That doesn't seem too logical.
9 posted on 02/26/2010 3:27:34 PM PST by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
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To: nmh

Lots of atheists are materialistic narcissists who go into a rage if they get criticized or insulted. You don’t see this happen too often with Christians, Jews, Hindus, Sikhs, etc. Most atheists are self-worshiping liberals. Only an extremely small minority of atheists are humble conservatives.


10 posted on 02/26/2010 3:28:11 PM PST by Soothesayer (The United States of America Rest in Peace November 4 2008)
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To: boughtwithaprice
I see a lot of illiterate liberals---Democrats.

I know one illiterate conservative--Repub. (and he's a self-made millionaire)

11 posted on 02/26/2010 3:28:57 PM PST by lonestar (Better Obama picks his nose than our pockets!)
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To: boughtwithaprice

“Liberals are more likely to be concerned about total strangers; conservatives are likely to be concerned with people they associate with,” he said.”

What an absolute pantload. Liberals are only concerned to the extent they can use your money and in so doing appear to be compassionate. Conservatives have always been more generous expecially when giving to religious causes are included. Liberals are notoriously stingy.


12 posted on 02/26/2010 3:30:23 PM PST by bereanway (Sarah get your gun)
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To: boughtwithaprice

Interesting how these ‘up in their heads’ libs cannot fathom or observe the historical dynamics of cause and effect however.

Whether economically (the sustainability of a system powered by individual potential, effort and rewards), morally (morals as construct for societal stability) or spiritually (evidence all around for those that choose to “see”..science and spiritually are intersecting—libs ignore the evidence)

Cold, real-world applied logic is missing from these idiot savant types apparently. Puts them at a distinct darwinian disadvantage.

They can carry on contemplating their navels and pondering why all the enduring systems on the planet carry precepts ( conservative) that are anathema to them.


13 posted on 02/26/2010 3:31:03 PM PST by cycle of discernment
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To: boughtwithaprice

Interesting how these ‘up in their heads’ libs cannot fathom or observe the historical dynamics of cause and effect however.

Whether economically (the sustainability of a system powered by individual potential, effort and rewards), morally (morals as construct for societal stability) or spiritually (evidence all around for those that choose to “see”..science and spiritually are intersecting—libs ignore the evidence)

Cold, real-world applied logic is missing from these idiot savant types apparently. Puts them at a distinct darwinian disadvantage.

They can carry on contemplating their navels and pondering why all the enduring systems on the planet carry precepts ( conservative) that are anathema to them.


14 posted on 02/26/2010 3:31:29 PM PST by cycle of discernment
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To: Soothesayer
More intelligent people tend to be more sensitive and have a stronger ‘theory of mind’ (ability to imagine what is happening in the mind of another).

What you speak of is empathy. I don't think that is true because serial killers tend to skew the results.
15 posted on 02/26/2010 3:31:56 PM PST by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
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To: boughtwithaprice

Hogwash!


16 posted on 02/26/2010 3:31:56 PM PST by pepperdog (As Israel goes, so goes America!)
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To: Soothesayer
That does make sense. More intelligent people tend to be more sensitive and have a stronger ‘theory of mind’ (ability to imagine what is happening in the mind of another).

And that makes them bigger suckers and enablers. They are not able to imagine squat of what is in another's mind. If they could then they wouldn't be all for these crazy programs and systems they keep throwing money at. I think doing stuff over and over and getting the same result is called insanity, not high IQ.

17 posted on 02/26/2010 3:32:01 PM PST by EBH (The warning bell of Freedom is ringing, can you not hear it?)
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To: boughtwithaprice
Participants who said they were atheists had an average IQ of 103 in adolescence, while adults who said they were religious averaged 97, the study found.

An IQ of 103 is considered high?

18 posted on 02/26/2010 3:32:40 PM PST by TigersEye (It's the Marxism, stupid! ... And they call themselves Progressives.)
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To: boughtwithaprice
I'm sure this study can be picked apart, but I can see how they derived such a result. They surveyed college kids.

The study looked at a large sample from the National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health (Add Health), which began with adolescents in grades 7-12 in the United States during the 1994-95 school year. The participants were interviewed as 18- to 28-year-olds from 2001 to 2002. The study also looked at the General Social Survey, another cross-national data collection source.

But if you read the study they do say that it's unnatural to be a liberal.

But they also use the term Conservative in the wrong fashion. They claim it means to not want change. So they are mixing apples and oranges. If that's the case a communist in Cuba is a Conservative and the anti-commie in Cuba is the liberal.

This study is really flawed or at least the interpretation that CNN is trying to present is just flat out wrong.

19 posted on 02/26/2010 3:33:08 PM PST by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: for-q-clinton
This study is really flawed or at least the interpretation that CNN is trying to present is just flat out wrong.

Pretty much. This study puts conservative and liberal in a black and white stance. Most conservatives would be regarded as classical liberals.
20 posted on 02/26/2010 3:35:25 PM PST by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
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To: cycle of discernment

We need to read the article. It’s clear that the conclusion isn’t very strong and it in fact calls liberals unnatural in evolutionary terms. In other words liberals will lead themselves or all of us to extinction.

But the study is still flawed on the IQ part since they appear to only study through age 28 and they started with kids in High School. So what about the kids that didn’t attend school? You know the ones that are wanting to live off the government? Plus everyone knows kids in college are going to be liberal until they get a real job and realize how wrong they were. Often that takes men into their 30’s to realize because they need to have some kids to support before they wake up.


21 posted on 02/26/2010 3:36:21 PM PST by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: LukeL

Rather be a dumb ol’ Christian then the smartest atheist in the universe. ;-)


22 posted on 02/26/2010 3:36:35 PM PST by doc1019 (To call Obama a bumbling idiot would be an insult to bumbling idiots worldwide.)
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To: boughtwithaprice
“Why Liberals and Atheists Are More Intelligent”
23 posted on 02/26/2010 3:37:00 PM PST by loboinok (Gun control is hitting what you aim at!)
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To: Soothesayer
Towards the end of the article it seems to say that “liberal” has nothing to do with politics and more about caring for genetically unrelated people.

I guess it's sort of how conservatives care about crime victims even if they are not victims themselves. Liberals have to be mugged to want to see a criminal punished.
24 posted on 02/26/2010 3:37:30 PM PST by Rastus
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To: TigersEye
An IQ of 103 is considered high?

Well my IQ of 140 must mean I'm a genius compared to these people.

25 posted on 02/26/2010 3:38:29 PM PST by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: for-q-clinton

See #23


26 posted on 02/26/2010 3:38:53 PM PST by loboinok (Gun control is hitting what you aim at!)
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To: boughtwithaprice
Satoshi Kanazawa....found that, on average, people who identified as liberal and atheist had higher IQs.

Did he employ that wonderful Global Warming science?

27 posted on 02/26/2010 3:39:36 PM PST by Lazamataz (Seriously. The only way Obama can possibly pull this out is to declare Martial Law before November.)
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To: Rastus

This article is using the terms liberal and conservative differently than we use today and in politics. To them a conservative is someone who doesn’t want change...as stated earlier a supporter of Fidel Castro is a conservative by this view.


28 posted on 02/26/2010 3:40:09 PM PST by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: bereanway
“Liberals are more likely to be concerned about total stranger”

And will ascribe all sorts of nonexistent virtues to the total strangers too...and 86% of the time they are 100% wrong.

(I'm into making up statistics today, someday I may be as rich as Al Gore became with bogus statistics)

29 posted on 02/26/2010 3:40:32 PM PST by pepperdog (As Israel goes, so goes America!)
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To: All

Remember the Bell Curve?

What a bunch of hypocrites. Ok to look at IQ based on ideology, but not race, sex, etc.

laughing at them hysterically


30 posted on 02/26/2010 3:41:19 PM PST by rbmillerjr (I'm praying for Palin....if not I'll vote 4 conservatives...Mitt won't get my vote)
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To: loboinok

He stole one of my points :-)


31 posted on 02/26/2010 3:42:23 PM PST by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: boughtwithaprice
Bailey also said that these preferences may stem from a desire to show superiority or elitism, which also has to do with IQ. In fact, aligning oneself with "unconventional" philosophies such as liberalism or atheism may be "ways to communicate to everyone that you're pretty smart," he said.

Which actually means they are dumb; if they were smart, they would get advanced degrees in math and physics instead of "aligning" themselves with Marx. Can you imagine a math student aligning himself with Gauss and Cauchy as a way to show his intellectual superiority, instead of actually getting good grades in math? But that's what libs have to do in their bonehead majors. They're too dumb to get good grades even in those. So they allign themselves with mooshy ideas.

32 posted on 02/26/2010 3:42:39 PM PST by LibWhacker (America awake!)
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To: rbmillerjr
Ok to look at IQ based on ideology, but not race, sex, etc.

Nice observation. Personally I think it should/can be looked at across all those things.

But also the researcher re-defines what liberal and conservative means so even then it's a flawed study.

33 posted on 02/26/2010 3:44:04 PM PST by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: for-q-clinton

Riiight! ;0)


34 posted on 02/26/2010 3:44:10 PM PST by loboinok (Gun control is hitting what you aim at!)
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To: boughtwithaprice
Personally, I'm sure that liberals are a lot smarter than we conservatives are. After all, compare the results of eight years of Reagan with the last twenty years of liberal einsteins at the helm. We sure are a lot better off now than we were in 1989, right? right?

Anyone? Buehler?

35 posted on 02/26/2010 3:44:33 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: for-q-clinton

Scotty!?! two to beam up. There is no intelligent life on this planet. lol


36 posted on 02/26/2010 3:44:46 PM PST by TigersEye (It's the Marxism, stupid! ... And they call themselves Progressives.)
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To: boughtwithaprice

I don’t know if the study take into account to selection issues. Those who consider themselves ‘smart’ and have high IQ may have more pride and confidences that they can do everything by themselves and do not need any independent force outside him/her. They may be attracted to (1) ideas that advocates independence of men, and (2) jobs where such ‘independence’ and ‘ideas’ are nurtured and encouraged, especially in the academia.


37 posted on 02/26/2010 3:47:12 PM PST by paudio (Are you better off today than in 2006, when the Democrats took over the Congress?)
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To: for-q-clinton

Interestingly, the author is a conservative, non-militant Atheist.


38 posted on 02/26/2010 3:47:35 PM PST by loboinok (Gun control is hitting what you aim at!)
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To: TigersEye
The difference between an IQ of 97 and 103 is statistically and practically meaningless. Both are well within the belly of the normal range. If that's the best the liberals can do, they are disproving their own hypothesis by actually publishing this.
39 posted on 02/26/2010 3:49:51 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: LibWhacker

Actually I can see math types falling for Marx. From a numbers game communism looks great and should maximize resource production and distribution with minimum waste.

But it falls apart in practice because people are going to do what’s best for them and their family. If your family is starving and you’re a farmer who are you going to feed first? Your family or the state? And now it all falls apart.

Going back to this study...since they stopped at age 28 that means they haven’t really surveyed any people with signficant life experience that have actually raised a kid or maintained a business with employees for several years. So the study is flawed.


40 posted on 02/26/2010 3:52:32 PM PST by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: loboinok
Interestingly, the author is a conservative, non-militant Atheist.

That explains it...he's one of the low scoring IQ conservatives that pulled the average down because he has to be pretty dumb to think this is a valid study.

41 posted on 02/26/2010 3:53:34 PM PST by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: doc1019

Amen!


42 posted on 02/26/2010 3:54:44 PM PST by liberalism is suicide (Communism,fascism-no matter how you slice socialism, its still baloney)
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To: EBH

You do know the flashlight question from Microsoft, yes?

The ability to be successful on a test is not a predictor of intelligence. Furthermore, according to Howard Gardner (left Harvard for U Cent. FL), there are multiple intelligences). Some disabilities are indicators of extraordinary intelligence, e.g., Cerebral Palsy. Finally, intelligence tests are often indicators of wide-ranging, familial/outer world or real world experiences that have taught deeper knowledge.

The flashlight question is in here....
http://www.sellsbrothers.com/fun/msiview/default.aspx?content=question.htm


43 posted on 02/26/2010 3:55:08 PM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spirito Sancto.)
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To: loboinok

“In Defense of Elitism”
William A. Henry (Author) (became a conservative)

http://www.amazon.com/Defense-Elitism-William-Henry/dp/0385479433?tag=dogpile-20

American Liberalism in the Classical sense has nothing to do with the mob tactics and strategies of the hippie dropouts and Chicago mafia types we have now.


44 posted on 02/26/2010 3:58:34 PM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spirito Sancto.)
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To: boughtwithaprice
They HAD to link something to liberalism and atheism besides giggles and smirks.
45 posted on 02/26/2010 4:13:38 PM PST by righttackle44 (Is Obama an Irish, Italian or Japanese name?)
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To: combat_boots; for-q-clinton

I think you both are misunderstanding.

The author I’m referring to is the poster of the Stop the ACLU article debunking the findings.

John Jay Ray is an Australian conservative psychologist.


46 posted on 02/26/2010 4:21:50 PM PST by loboinok (Gun control is hitting what you aim at!)
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To: LibWhacker
Bailey also said that these preferences may stem from a desire to show superiority or elitism, which also has to do with IQ. In fact, aligning oneself with "unconventional" philosophies such as liberalism or atheism may be "ways to communicate to everyone that you're pretty smart," he said.

A truly smart and compassionate person does not go around proclaiming how smart they are. They are instead respectful of others.

Come to think of it, if the definition of "intelligence" is bragging how smart they are, perhaps liberals are "intelligent".

47 posted on 02/26/2010 4:22:03 PM PST by 6SJ7 (atlasShruggedInd = TRUE)
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To: boughtwithaprice

‘The fool hath said in his heart: There is no God.’

‘What think ye of Christ?’


48 posted on 02/26/2010 9:34:14 PM PST by bigoil
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