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German ProSieben TV Channel Finds 500 Gram Tungsten Bar At W.C.Heraeus Gold Foundry With Bank Origin
Zero Hedge ^ | 3/1/10 | Tyler Durden

Posted on 03/02/2010 4:31:04 AM PST by Daisyjane69

German TV station ProSieben finds what appears to be some evocative proof of gold counterfeiting, in the form of tungsten gold substitutes coming to the W.C.Heraeus foundry, which is the world's largest privately-owned precious metals refiner and fabricator, located in Hanau, Germany. The foundry has isolated at least one 500-gram tungsten bar due for melting, originating from a (so far) unnamed bank, which as the head of the foundry stated made the unpleasant discovery that "not all the glitters is gold."

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: fakegold; gold; tungsten; tungstenbars
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1 posted on 03/02/2010 4:31:04 AM PST by Daisyjane69
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To: Daisyjane69

Most tungsten I know of comes from China.


2 posted on 03/02/2010 4:36:33 AM PST by BallyBill (WARNING:Taking me serious could cause stress related illness.)
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To: BallyBill

what’s scary is that ZH says it came from an unnamed bank. Could have been anywhere. meh


3 posted on 03/02/2010 4:37:54 AM PST by Daisyjane69 (Michael Reagan: "Welcome back, Dad, even if you're wearing a dress and bearing children this time)
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To: Daisyjane69
Taking ostensibly gold bars from unknown, untraceable banks has to be at least as risky these days as bending over at a San Francisco bath house.

HF

4 posted on 03/02/2010 4:44:29 AM PST by holden
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To: BallyBill

But the story of the bars is that they came from America, during the Clinton administration. Or rather, to put it another way, during the Clinton administration, orders for many tons of tungsten bars came from America.


5 posted on 03/02/2010 4:45:07 AM PST by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: Daisyjane69

The bank bought it from an unnamed customer. The bank is the one taking the loss here, and I’ll bet they know whom they bought it from.


6 posted on 03/02/2010 4:59:32 AM PST by babble-on
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To: holden

It only takes a tape measure and a scale to know whether the bar you have is gold. Gold cannot be counterfeited to make it undetectable by someone who can do some simple measurements or water displacement. That is part of the secret of its enduring value. Any combination of metals that could be alloyed to give the same weight and volume as gold will be more costly than the gold for which it is substituted. It would be “counterfeit” but the person to whom the counterfeit is passed would be richer from the “scam.”


7 posted on 03/02/2010 5:16:42 AM PST by arthurus ("If you don't believe in shooting abortionists, don't shoot an abortionist." -Ann C.)
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To: babble-on

A 500 gram bar should be identifiable as counterfeit as soon as a dealer picks it up.


8 posted on 03/02/2010 5:18:24 AM PST by arthurus ("If you don't believe in shooting abortionists, don't shoot an abortionist." -Ann C.)
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To: babble-on
Toward the end of the video, it states in screen text overlay:
Don't trust Ben and the Dollar, Trust Jesus."

That seems curious to me in that context. The point of the video would seem to be don't trust "all that glitters", but not to trust Ben (Franklin?) or the Dollar could well be a hint as to the origin of the gold. Otherwise, it would seem ill-placed in the video, as Dollar currency would almost certainly be more trustworthy than the fake-but-glittering stuff of the video.

So, yes, it would appear the video producer is quietly fingering the US. But... WHY BE COY?!?!

If Clinton was behind these fakes, would the truth come to light in our/his lifetime? It's been noted repeatedly how unusual it is that no tell-all book regarding the Clinton Administration's inner workings has been written. When will we know the truth about Vince? When will we know the truth about tungsten-alloyed gold? (in German, tungsten = wolfram).

HF

9 posted on 03/02/2010 5:18:27 AM PST by holden
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To: Daisyjane69

Well, they had all that tungsten left over after the world went to CFL bulbs....................


10 posted on 03/02/2010 5:20:19 AM PST by Red Badger (Education makes people easy to lead, difficult to drive; easy to govern, but impossible to enslave.)
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To: holden

The atomic symbol for tungsten is “W”, so it’s Bush’s fault!................


11 posted on 03/02/2010 5:23:18 AM PST by Red Badger (Education makes people easy to lead, difficult to drive; easy to govern, but impossible to enslave.)
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To: arthurus

I don’t think so. Tungsten is nearly exactly the same density as gold. I would think that would make it very difficult to feel out a fake bar merely by holding it.


12 posted on 03/02/2010 5:25:52 AM PST by thecabal (Destroy Progressivism)
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To: arthurus

from WIKI:

Tungsten ... is a chemical element with the chemical symbol W and atomic number 74.

A steel-gray metal, tungsten is found in several ores, including wolframite and scheelite. It is remarkable for its robust physical properties, especially the fact that it has the highest melting point of all the non-alloyed metals and the second highest of all the elements after carbon. Also remarkable is its very high density of 19.3 times heavier than water, and 71% heavier than lead. Tungsten is often brittle and hard to work in its raw state; if pure, it can be cut with a hacksaw.


13 posted on 03/02/2010 5:25:59 AM PST by Red Badger (Education makes people easy to lead, difficult to drive; easy to govern, but impossible to enslave.)
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To: Daisyjane69

Very interesting story, given the rumors about gold-plated tungsten bars which were circulating on the internet a few months ago. If this is more than an “isolated incident”, things with gold could get weird very quickly.


14 posted on 03/02/2010 5:27:07 AM PST by thecabal (Destroy Progressivism)
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To: arthurus

not quite true: The difference between the density of gold and tungsten is so small that you would have to use laboratory type measuring devices to measure the difference, and even then, even tiny voids in the bar could cause the gold to come up lighter than a similar sized tungsten.


15 posted on 03/02/2010 5:28:48 AM PST by LegendHasIt
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To: holden

No, the video producer is a mainstream German television station. But the paranoid crackpot who posted it on youtube added a second track of commentary not contained in the original.

No one is saying this came from the US.

The “Ben” the paranoid loon is referring to is Bernanke.

The reference to Clinton from a poster is purely a timeframe reference. Clinton had nothing whatsoever to do with this. Gold was 230 dollars an ounce at that time, who’d bother counterfeiting it?


16 posted on 03/02/2010 5:29:02 AM PST by babble-on
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To: Red Badger

Gold also has a density of 19.3 g/cm^2. I think the difference between the two elements is in the hundredth digit.


17 posted on 03/02/2010 5:29:52 AM PST by thecabal (Destroy Progressivism)
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To: arthurus; blam; dennisw; FromLori; rabscuttle385; TigerLikesRooster

Not true. Tungsten has the same density as gold to within a % point. It will be the same weight for the same dimensions as pure gold. In this case (watch the video) there is about a quarter inch of real gold around the tungsten slug.

That doesn’t mean it can’t be tested, it just means that weight/dimension tools won’t work. You can still detect fakes/tungsten slugs by their thermal and electrical conductivity and other means.

NB: This is not a case of “gold plating” tungsten. This is a tungsten core molded inside of real gold, with several mm of real gold hiding the tungsten core.


18 posted on 03/02/2010 5:30:15 AM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Travis McGee

But the “nase des alten fuchs” was able to tell immediately that something was wrong with it. Just goes to show what experience is worth


19 posted on 03/02/2010 5:32:29 AM PST by babble-on
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To: Travis McGee

Gold Bump.


20 posted on 03/02/2010 5:34:16 AM PST by blam
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