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To: freedomwarrior998

> “The Court was not at all receptive to arguments on Privileges or Immunities but incorporation on Due Process is a slam dunk.”

For those on this webpage who were blasting the NRA for “horning in” on Gura’s case, P&I was virtually all that Gura was arguing for (there were about 70 pages in his brief on that and 5 pages on Due Process). If it had not been for the NRA “horning in” this could have been a VERY bad day for gunowners.

Those same people should remember that Gura and his paymaster are Libertarians first, foremost, and always. The gun stuff is just a vehicle for them, not their central concern.


30 posted on 03/02/2010 12:39:29 PM PST by jim_trent
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To: jim_trent
Those same people should remember that Gura and his paymaster are Libertarians first, foremost, and always. The gun stuff is just a vehicle for them, not their central concern.

BINGO! (Although I would characterize them as liberaltarians.)

33 posted on 03/02/2010 12:52:37 PM PST by freedomwarrior998
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To: jim_trent

i cannot be sure, but the “due process” position might not have been introduced into the proceedings had not the SCOTUS allowed the NRA their few minutes.


37 posted on 03/02/2010 2:31:32 PM PST by lrb111 (resist)
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To: jim_trent
Those same people should remember that Gura and his paymaster are Libertarians first, foremost, and always. The gun stuff is just a vehicle for them, not their central concern.

While I'm not carrying any water for Gura and his associates, I think that it is far more likely that he is a libertarian. Nor am I strictly a libertarian (and definitely not a Libertarian), though I've got libertarian leanings on a lot of issues (mainly because my chief concern is that government leave all of us the phock alone)...but the "gun stuff" is pretty critical to libertarian thought - trying to be free and enjoy liberty is a rather fruitless exercise without the ability to defend your life and rights, or those of your family and community.

Also, before anyone condemns Gura too much, let's try to remember that he got the Supreme Court to do what no other attorney has - to state that the right to keep arms ("bear" wasn't at issue in Heller) is a fundamental right. True enough, Heller was not everything that us pro-gun rights folks would have liked (far from it, in fact), but it drew a line in the sand that can never be crossed again - correction, GURA drew the line in the sand. And it is likely that in a few months time - thanks largely to Gura - the same standard will now apply in gun-rights $hitholes like Chicago, NYC, etc. - ultimately restoring the rights of tens of millions of our fellow citizens. Yes, it will take a few more cases to defeat the very high hoops that these localities will make people jump through to get a gun, but that will happen and we will have a far larger group of fellow gun owners than we presently do (which will necessarily make the goals of the hoplophobic control-freaks that much more difficult). Thanks, largely, to Gura. So cut the guy a bit of a break. Again, I'm not carrying his water - we aren't related, we aren't friends, I'm not employed by him, and I've never even met the guy...but facts are facts.

40 posted on 03/02/2010 3:31:37 PM PST by Ancesthntr (Tyrant: "Spartans, lay down your weapons." Free man: "Persian, come and get them!")
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