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Gen. Patrick R. Cleburne—Stonewall Jackson of the West
Huntington News ^ | March 6, 2010 | Calvin E. Johnson, Jr.

Posted on 03/06/2010 2:27:46 PM PST by BigReb555

Who was Gen. Patrick R. Cleburne?


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KEYWORDS: civilwar; cleburne; confederacy; confederate; irish; robertelee; slave; slavery; south; southern; warbetweenthestates
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Wednesday, March 17, 2010, is the 182nd birthday of Patrick Ronayne Cleburne.

Do you remember the 1961 weekly television series, entitled “The Americans?” This wonderful-educational show centered around two brothers who fought on opposite sides of the War Between the States—Confederate Corporal Jeff Canfield played by Richard Davalos and Union Corporal Ben Canfield played by Darryl Hickman. Their Father, Pa Canfield, was played by the late great John McIntire. The great theme music was produced by Hugo Friedhofer and original music by Bernard Hermann.

When I was growing up near Atlanta, Georgia school children could recite some of the words to the United States Constitution, Bill of Rights and knew the true history of those who gave us our freedom. Politicians in their speeches proudly quoted from American Patriots like; George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and Robert E. Lee.

Who was Gen. Patrick R. Cleburne?

Patrick Ronayne Cleburne was born on March 17, 1828, in Ovens, County Cork, Ireland. He was an Anglo-Irish soldier who served in the 41st Regiment of Foot of the British Army. He is however best known for his service to the Confederates States of America during the War Between the States.

He was only eighteen months old when his Mother died and a young fifteen when his Father passed away. He tried to follow in his Father’s foot steps, Dr. Joseph Cleburne, in the field of medicine but failed his entrance exam to Trinity College of Medicine in 1848. He immigrated to America three years later with two brothers and a sister and made his home in Helena, Arkansas.

In 1860 Cleburne became a naturalized citizen, lawyer and was popular with the residents.

He sided with the Confederacy at the outbreak of the War Between the States and progressed from the rank of private of the local militia to major general.

Cleburne, like many Southerners, did not support the institution of slavery but chose to serve his adopted country out of love for the Southern people and their quest for independence and freedom. In 1864, he advocated the emancipation of Black men to serve in the Confederate Armed Forces. In early 1865, his dream became a reality but it was then too late--the war was lost.

Did you know that Gen. Ulysses S. Grant owned slaves but Gen. Robert E. Lee did not?

Cleburne participated in the Battles of Shiloh, Richmond, Perryville, Stones River, Chickamauga, Missionary Ridge, Ringgold Gap and Franklin. He was killed at the Battle of Franklin, Tennessee on November 30, 1864.

Due to his brilliant strategy on the battlefield Gen. Patrick R. Cleburne was nicknamed “Stonewall Jackson of the West.”

General Patrick R. Cleburne said before his death at the Battle of Franklin:

"If this cause, that is dear to my heart, is doomed to fail, I pray heaven may let me fall with it, while my face is toward the enemy and my arm battling for that which I know is right."

Cleburne was engaged to Susan Tarleton of Mobile, Alabama.

On March 17, 1979, Cleburne’s birthday, I organized the Gen. Patrick R. Cleburne Camp 1361 of the Sons of Confederate Veterans in Jonesboro, Georgia which is still active. The Confederate Cemetery in Jonesboro is also named in honor of the general.

Gen. Cleburne is buried in Maple Hill Cemetery in Helena, Arkansas.

A good book “A Meteor Shining Brightly” Essays on Maj. Gen. Patrick R. Cleburne” --edited by Mauriel Phillips Joslyn, is a good source of information about Cleburne.

1 posted on 03/06/2010 2:27:47 PM PST by BigReb555
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To: BigReb555

“Cleburne, like many Southerners, did not support the institution of slavery.” Without foundation and wishful thinking to whitewash the true nature of the Southern society prior to the Civil War.
As for Grant and Lee it took 30 seconds to debunk that drivel on the web:

Grant

On August 28, 1848, Grant married Julia Dent from St. Louis, whose family held slaves. Grant himself owned a slave named William Jones, acquired from his father-in-law. At a time when he could have desperately used the money from the sale of Jones, Grant signed a document that gave him his freedom.

Lee

As a member of the Virginia aristocracy, Lee lived in close contact with slavery before he joined the army and held variously around a half-dozen slaves under his own name. When George Washington Parke Custis died in October 1857, Robert E. Lee, one of four executors of the Custis estate, determined that the slave labor was necessary to improve Arlington’s financial status.

The will provided for the slaves to be emancipated “in such a manner as to my executors may seem most expedient and proper”, providing a maximum of five years for the legal and logistical details of manumission. Lee found himself in need of funds to pay his father-in-law’s debts and repair the properties he had inherited. Custis’ will stipulated that all the Arlington slaves should be freed upon his death with any debts and legacies paid for all within a five year period. The Arlington slaves found Lee to be a stringent executor of Custis’ will.[10][11] Rather than emancipation, Lee decided to make money by taking control of the slaves, working them on the plantation, and hiring them out to neighboring plantations and to eastern Virginia.

Lee tried to hire an overseer to handle the plantation in his absence, writing to his cousin, “I wish to get an energetic honest farmer, who while he will be considerate & kind to the negroes, will be firm & make them do their duty.”[12] Lee failed to find a man for the job, and had to take a two-year leave of absence from the army in order to run the plantation himself. He found the experience frustrating and difficult; some of the slaves were unhappy and demanded their freedom. Many of them had been given to understand that they were to be made free as soon as Custis died.[13] In May 1858, Lee wrote to his son Rooney, “I have had some trouble with some of the people. Reuben, Parks & Edward, in the beginning of the previous week, rebelled against my authority—refused to obey my orders, & said they were as free as I was, etc., etc.—I succeeded in capturing them & lodging them in jail. They resisted till overpowered & called upon the other people to rescue them.”[12] Less than two months after they were sent to the Alexandria jail, Lee decided to remove these three men and three female house slaves from Arlington, and sent them under lock and key to the slave-trader William Overton Winston in Richmond, who was instructed to keep them in jail until he could find “good & responsible” slaveholders to work them until the end of the five year period.[12]

Cleburne I’ll read up on because he sounds interesting. Thanks for the pointer.


2 posted on 03/06/2010 2:38:23 PM PST by IrishCatholic (No local Communist or Socialist Party Chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing!)
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To: BigReb555

My ancestors who were in the 6th and 1st Florida served under Cleburne. I don’t recall which battles except probably Shiloh but am certain he was their commander.


3 posted on 03/06/2010 2:40:42 PM PST by yarddog
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To: BigReb555

Good post

Just got through reading “Lee`s Gallant General” the story of Stephen Dodson Ramseur.The bravery and sense of honor of these brave men still echos down to a lot of people today


4 posted on 03/06/2010 2:40:51 PM PST by Harold Shea (RVN `70 - `71)
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To: BigReb555

Sir: Thank you for your interest and knowledge of General Patrick Cleburne. You are absolutely correct. General Cleburne belongs in the company of General Jackson, General Lee, General Grant, General Sherman, General Thomas, General Sheriden,etc. The civil war elevated some of our nations best and outstanding Generals and officers regardless of whether they fought for the Union or the Confederacy. Many Americans do not understand that many elisted men and officers served their states because they loved them dearly. To General Robert E. Lee, Virginia was his home, his country. This story is repeated many times over for different men, but it was the way things were in that turbulent time for our nation. Cleburne has been treated good by history, as was Daniel Morgan and Nathaniel Green in Washington’s army. I’d be willing to bet that our present day POTUS, Barack “Hussein” Obama has no clue whom most of these men were. One thing certain we do know about POTUS Obama. His teachers and idols were all America haters, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Saul Alinsky and William Ayers, etc. POTUS Obama, what an American???


5 posted on 03/06/2010 2:42:54 PM PST by JLAGRAYFOX
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To: IrishCatholic

I have not personally researched the issue but it has been discussed on this forum enough that I know that your take is in error.

I do know that Grant did not free the slaves he got through his wife until forced to. I also know that Lee had freed the slaves he got through his wife before the war.

Your facts might be accurate to some extent but are misleading.


6 posted on 03/06/2010 2:45:01 PM PST by yarddog
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To: BigReb555
Cleburne was a hell of a good general and should have been the commander of the Confederate Army of Tennessee.

However, he got into political trouble with Jeff Davis and Joe Johnston in early 1864 by circulating a written proposal to offer freedom to slave who would fight in the Confederate armies. His meteoric rise suddenly stopped at that point and he remained a division commander until he was killed at during the big bloody frontal assault at Franklin.


7 posted on 03/06/2010 2:51:57 PM PST by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin has crossed the Rubicon!)
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To: IrishCatholic
Rather than emancipation, Lee decided to make money by taking control of the slaves, working them on the plantation, and hiring them out to neighboring plantations and to eastern Virginia.

Speaking of drivel... It is a well-known fact that Lee freed the slaves he inherited by marriage. He freed those slaves while Virginia was a part of the CSA, where slavery was legal. On the other hand, Grant did not free his slaves until it was illegal to own slaves in the North.

Like the joke of the "Emancipation Proclamation" - history has a strange way of getting twisted by the conquerors. Lincoln, in 1863, "freed" the slaves by "Emancipation Proclamation" in the South, where he had no juristiction, and yet as President of the North, he specifically did not free slaves there. Wow. For a war to end slavery, you would think that the North had no slaves... not true.

To the point though, Cleburne was a great General.
8 posted on 03/06/2010 2:52:09 PM PST by Tzfat
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To: IrishCatholic
Did you know that Gen. Ulysses S. Grant owned slaves but Gen. Robert E. Lee did not?

Incorrect. Grant owned a slave given to him by his father-in-law for about a year. He freed the slave in 1859 before moving to Illinois. Lee owned slaves on and off during his life, and as executor of his father-in-law's estate he freed the last of the slaves left to him and his wife in December 1862.

9 posted on 03/06/2010 2:59:03 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: yarddog
I do know that Grant did not free the slaves he got through his wife until forced to. I also know that Lee had freed the slaves he got through his wife before the war.

That would be incorrect. All the Dent family slaves, including those used by Mrs. Grant, were freed early in 1863. Missouri didn't outlaw slavery until late 1864-early 1865.

10 posted on 03/06/2010 3:02:42 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: yarddog
I do know that Grant did not free the slaves he got through his wife until forced to. I also know that Lee had freed the slaves he got through his wife before the war.

Wrong on both counts.

11 posted on 03/06/2010 3:03:46 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: yarddog

To the extent of a reply they are not. They factually state the case. Grant did not buy slaves he was given one and then freed him. Lee owned personally slaves, inhereted more as executor, and freed those inherited by terms of the will in 1862 during the war.

I don’t see how they were misleading at all. However, while debunking the modern whitewash from Neo Confederates is one thing, to think I would apply modern morals to the period is also incorrect. If transported to that place and time and raised in that society, would we think the same? That period was that period. This period is now. I can excuse or have empathy for General Lee and see him as a historical figure. I cannot have empathy for those today who would revise history to make it something it wasn’t.


12 posted on 03/06/2010 3:04:22 PM PST by IrishCatholic (No local Communist or Socialist Party Chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing!)
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To: Tzfat

You have a number of inaccuracies in your comments.

Lincoln was the president of the United States, not of the northern United States, despite considerable attempts to make it otherwise.

It should be noted that Lincoln had no legal or constitutional authority to make any changes to the system of slavery in the loyal states. Despite this, he supported the various constitutional amendments for emancipation making their way thru Congress and made repeated attempts to arrange for compensated emancipation to be instituted for loyal slave owners, who repeatedly and rather short-sightedly rejected the offers. The Emancipation Proclamation was based on his war powers, and was essentially a confiscation of the property of those fighting against the Union.

Lincoln is repeatedly criticized by southern apologists for trampling on the Constitution, yet in this case where he refused to exceed his constitutional powers, they also criticize him for that.

Grant’s wife, not Grant, freed her slaves around the time of the initial Emancipation Proclamation, several years before slavery became illegal in the North.


13 posted on 03/06/2010 3:05:08 PM PST by Sherman Logan ( .)
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To: Non-Sequitur

So, unlike Lincoln’s Emancipation Proclamation, Lee actually emancipated some slaves...


14 posted on 03/06/2010 3:05:45 PM PST by achilles2000 (Shouting "fire" in a burning building is doing everyone a favor...whether they like it or not)
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To: Non-Sequitur

God love you, it’s friendly fire. Cease fire! Cease fire!


15 posted on 03/06/2010 3:06:18 PM PST by IrishCatholic (No local Communist or Socialist Party Chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing!)
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To: Non-Sequitur

How come any post regarding the Civil War always brings forth the back-and-forth about who was holier about slavery?

The fact is any of you arguing about it has 150 years of history to look back on. If you had been born in the era, you most likely would have been pro-slavery if it benefited you and you would have been abolitionist if it didn’t cost you any money anyway, you know, kind of like most everybody who lived in the actual era.


16 posted on 03/06/2010 3:08:48 PM PST by gthog61
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To: Non-Sequitur

As you are no doubt aware, the 13th Amendment did not free all that many slaves in December 1865.

Maryland and Missouri had freed all slaves by state action previously, as did West Virginia. A few hundred remained in slavery in Delaware and a good number in Kentucky. As the Union armies advanced, slaves became free in the areas where they were in control.

I’m unclear precisely when and how slaves were freed in the various occupied areas of the South excluded from the Emancipation Proclamation.


17 posted on 03/06/2010 3:11:03 PM PST by Sherman Logan ( .)
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To: yarddog

We were with Sherman at Shiloh, 6th Iowa, one KIA at Missionary Ridge, several others in Illinois Regiments, still researching.


18 posted on 03/06/2010 3:11:03 PM PST by Little Bill (Carol Che-Porter is a MOONBAT.)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner
However, he got into political trouble with Jeff Davis and Joe Johnston in early 1864 by circulating a written proposal to offer freedom to slave who would fight in the Confederate armies. His meteoric rise suddenly stopped at that point and he remained a division commander until he was killed at during the big bloody frontal assault at Franklin.

That charge is often leveled but it probably is incorrect. Cleburne didn't rise above division commander most likely because he wasn't a West Pointer in an army where virtually all senior commanders were West Pointers. While his suggestion to free slaves and incorporate them into the army was not well-received by Davis or most of Cleburne's peers, there is no real evidence that it was held against him in terms of future promotion.

19 posted on 03/06/2010 3:18:14 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: nnn0jeh

ping


20 posted on 03/06/2010 3:19:10 PM PST by kalee (The offences we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we engrave in marble. J Huett 1658)
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