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Trouble for Mitt Romney? Mass. Health Plan Covers Abortion
CBS News ^ | 2010-03-08 | Brian Montopoli

Posted on 03/08/2010 12:56:48 PM PST by rabscuttle385

Mitt Romney's role in overseeing passage of a universal health care plan in Massachusetts appears likely to cause headaches for the former Republican governor should he make his widely-expected run for the White House in 2012.

As Matt Yglesias noted Sunday, all of the government-subsidized health care plans offered to low-income Massachusetts residents, under a program called Commonwealth Care, cover abortion.

(Excerpt) Read more at cbsnews.com ...


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1 posted on 03/08/2010 12:56:48 PM PST by rabscuttle385
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To: rabscuttle385
Trouble for with Mitt Romney? Mass. Health Plan Covers Abortion
2 posted on 03/08/2010 12:59:07 PM PST by svcw (If you are going to quote the Bible know what you are quoting.)
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To: rabscuttle385

I have no problem with Mitt Romney running as a frikin’ DEMOCRAT!!! Sheeze... the guy is a flaming liberal!


3 posted on 03/08/2010 1:00:43 PM PST by avacado
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To: rabscuttle385
I think the Obama Health Care Fiasco is going to cause not one but two Waterloos.

...


4 posted on 03/08/2010 1:02:40 PM PST by InterceptPoint
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To: avacado

I saw Romney on FOX with Chris Wallace and Romney came across as a dud.


5 posted on 03/08/2010 1:03:16 PM PST by unkus
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To: rabscuttle385; Peter Horry

peter horry, what do you have to say?
— this is on RomneyCARE.


6 posted on 03/08/2010 1:03:36 PM PST by Diogenesis ("Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God." --Thomas Jefferson)
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To: rabscuttle385
A $50 copay for the planned murder of the most helpless!
Willard myth Romney said “Those mean democrats forced me
to sign the bill.”
7 posted on 03/08/2010 1:03:42 PM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ((B.?) Hussein (Obama?Soetoro?Dunham?) Change America Will Die From.)
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To: rabscuttle385

Mass. is a Catholic rich state so I am sure that the Mormon is fine with killing his religions arch nemesis.

My view is that he is Mormon and belongs in the democrat party, where most Mormons would likely align themselves if they were true to their religion. That is where they were aligned in the 19th century and it is where they should be now.


8 posted on 03/08/2010 1:06:06 PM PST by pennyfarmer (Your Socialist Beat our Liberal)
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To: unkus
"I saw Romney on FOX with Chris Wallace and Romney came across as a dud."

Besides Romney being a liberal the other problem I have with him is that he wants to be president for himself and not to serve his country.

9 posted on 03/08/2010 1:06:18 PM PST by avacado
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran
A $50 copay for the planned murder of the most helpless!

That says it all.
10 posted on 03/08/2010 1:06:39 PM PST by Deo volente (January 19, 2010...the Second American Revolution begins, right where it all started!)
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To: InterceptPoint

LOL.

But seriously, why didn’t we learn about this during the entire 2008 campaign season?


11 posted on 03/08/2010 1:06:45 PM PST by streetpreacher (Arminian by birth, Calvinist by the grace of God)
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To: avacado

Bottom line with Romney: He would be another Dole or McCain.


12 posted on 03/08/2010 1:08:22 PM PST by unkus
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To: rabscuttle385

This turd stinks more every day.


13 posted on 03/08/2010 1:09:11 PM PST by South40 ("Islam has a long tradition of tolerance." ~Hussein Obama, June 4, 2009, Cairo, Egypt)
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To: avacado
Nice. That one is for the Ages:

“Besides Romney being a liberal the other problem
I have with him is that he wants to be president
for himself and not to serve his country”. - avacado

"Mitt Romney...alienating America one group at a time." - AlaskaErik


Mr. Romney "Disses" Amateur Radio In Televised Town Meeting

Gov. Sarah Palin, Governor of the state of Alaska, proclaimed the week of July 28 through August 3, 2008 as: Amateur Radio Week

14 posted on 03/08/2010 1:09:53 PM PST by Diogenesis ("Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God." --Thomas Jefferson)
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To: unkus
Romney came across as a dud.

Sometimes the truth shines through!

15 posted on 03/08/2010 1:10:56 PM PST by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: rabscuttle385

I thought the media told us endlessly in 2008 that he was unelectable because he was a Mormon, like Harry Reid.


16 posted on 03/08/2010 1:12:07 PM PST by a fool in paradise
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To: streetpreacher
But seriously, why didn’t we learn about this during the entire 2008 campaign season?

It was commonly know on these threads in 2008.

17 posted on 03/08/2010 1:12:14 PM PST by Graybeard58 ("0bama's not just stupid; He’s Jimmy Carter stupid”. - Don Imus)
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To: rabscuttle385
'Geez, I didn't know that'...


18 posted on 03/08/2010 1:14:54 PM PST by LibFreeUSA (Show me what Obama brought that was new and there you will find things only blind and destructive.)
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To: pennyfarmer

Mass. is a Catholic rich state so I am sure that the Mormon is fine with killing his religions arch nemesis.

Mass is full of phony-Catholics who have been going to Mass every Sunday while electing Kennedys since 1952. Whatever your thoughts on Romney I can’t in all fairness blame Mormons for that.


19 posted on 03/08/2010 1:15:59 PM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: rabscuttle385

Mitt is history.

His time came and went in the last primary for president.


20 posted on 03/08/2010 1:16:29 PM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, Guts and Guns made America great.)
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To: rabscuttle385

assault weapons ban

“He [Romney] is a supporter of the federal assault weapons ban.”
- Romney 2002 campaign website

“That’s not going to make me the hero of the NRA,” Romney told the Boston Herald in 1994.

At another campaign stop that year, he told reporters: “I don’t line up with the NRA.”
- Boston Globe, January 14, 2007

“Americans should have the right to own and possess firearms as guaranteed under the U.S. Constitution,” said Governor Romney. “I’m proud to be among the many decent, law-abiding men and women who safely use firearms.”
- Governor Romney, News Release, January 12, 2007

“The minimum wage is important to our economy and Mitt Romney supports minimum wage increase, at least in line with inflation.”
- Romney 2002 campaign website

Governor Mitt Romney yesterday rejected the Legislature’s plan to raise the state minimum wage to $8 an hour over two years, angering Democratic lawmakers and advocates who accused him of abandoning a 2002 campaign pledge to significantly boost the pay of low-wage workers.
- Boston Globe, July 22, 2006

In a November 2005 interview with the Boston Globe, Romney described immigration proposals by McCain and others as “quite different” from amnesty, because they required illegal immigrants to register with the government, work for years, pay taxes, not take public benefits, and pay a fine before applying for citizenship.

“That’s very different than amnesty, where you literally say, ‘OK, everybody here gets to stay,’ “ Romney said in the interview. “It’s saying you could work your way into becoming a legal resident of the country by working here without taking benefits and then applying and then paying a fine.”

Romney also said in the interview that it was not “practical or economic for the country” to deport the estimated 12 million immigrants living in the US illegally. “These people contribute in many cases to our economy and to our society,” he said. “In some cases, they do not. But that’s a whole group we’re going to have to determine how to deal with.”
- Boston Globe, March 16, 2007

In his appeals to conservative voters, Romney has made the Arizona senator’s work on immigration one of his favorite targets. When McCain and other senators unveiled the latest reform bill two weeks ago, Romney called it the “wrong approach” and immediately launched a television ad slamming “amnesty” for illegal immigrants.
- Boston Globe, June 1, 2007

Romney didn’t support President Bush’s tax cuts in 2003. That earned him praise from liberal Congressman Barney Frank (D-MA)
- Boston Globe, April 11, 2003.

In 2002, Romney broke with his predecessor, Jane Swift, and Republican governors before her by declining to sign a written vow not to raise taxes once in office.

- Boston Globe, January 5, 2007

Almost five years after he refused to sign a “no new taxes” pledge during his campaign for governor, Mitt Romney announced yesterday that he had done just that, as his campaign for the 2008 Republican presidential nomination began in earnest.
- Boston Globe, January 5, 2007

During a debate, Romney declared: ‘I believe that abortion should be safe and legal in this country. I have since the time that my mom took that position when she ran in 1970 as a US Senate candidate. I believe that since Roe v. Wade has been the law for 20 years we should sustain and support it.’ “

Planned Parenthood gave to the gubernatorial candidates in 2002, Romney answered ‘’yes” to the question, ‘Do you support the substance of the Supreme Court decision in Roe v. Wade?’

“Every decision I have made as Governor in a very liberal state has been on the side of favoring life.” – Governor Romney

“In seeking the support of the Log Cabin Republican Club, Romney wrote them a letter promising that ‘as we seek to establish full equality for America’s gay and lesbian citizens, I will provide more effective leadership than my opponent.’ “ 1994

# “[Romney] did, however, pledge to support the federal Employment Non-Discrimination Act, which would ban job discrimination based on sexual orientation, and other civil rights protections for gays in the areas of housing and credit. He also promised to bring the initiatives begun in Massachusetts to protect gay and lesbian youth to the federal level.”
- Bay Windows, 3/28/2002

“There will be children born to same-sex couples, and adopted by same-sax couples, and I believe that there should be rights and privileges associated with those unions and with the children that are part of those unions.” On another occasion, his spokesman “declined to state Romney’s position on whether homosexual couples should be allowed to adopt, and declined to say whether the governor opposes gay adoptions.”
- State House press conference, 6/15/2005
- Boston Globe, 3/2/2006

Romney stated, “I feel that all people should be allowed to participate in the Boy Scouts regardless of their sexual orientation.” In the same article, a BSA official criticized Romney for opposing Scout policy.
- Boston Globe, 10/27/1994

More recently Romney proposed allocating $250,000 for the Governor’s Commission on Gay and Lesbian Youth for fiscal year 2006, twice what he proposed for FY05. The Legislature ultimately funded the commission at $250,000 for FY05, so Romney’s proposal for next year amounts to level funding, and the proposal is still a far cry from $1.6 million the commission received in the mid-’90s before the state budget crisis. Yet as commission co-chair Kathleen Henry said, Romney could just as easily have dissolved the program. “We serve completely at the will of the governor,” said Henry.
- Bay Windows 3/3/2005

Twice after the Legislature approved funding for the Commission, Romney then appeased pro-family activists by vetoing it! However, since there are not enough Republicans to sustain vetoes, a veto is largely a charade.

* When Romney was running against Sen. Ted Kennedy, Bay Windows asked him how he would have voted on an amendment to the Elementary and Secondary Education Act that would ban federal funds from public schools which are “encouraging or supporting homosexuality as a positive lifestyle alternative.” He answered:

“I would have opposed that amendment. I don’t think the federal government has any business dictating to local school boards what their curriculum or practices should be. I think that’s a dangerous precedent in general. I would have opposed that. It also grossly misunderstands the gay community by insinuating that there’s an attempt to proselytize a gay lifestyle on the part of the gay community. I think it’s wrong-headed and unfortunate and hurts the party by being identified with the Republican party.”
- Bay Windows, 8/25/1994

Lopez: “And what about the 1994 letter to the Log Cabin Republicans where you indicated you would support the Federal Employment Non-Discrimination Act (ENDA) and seemed open to changing the “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy in the military? Are those your positions today?

Gov. Romney: “No. I don’t see the need for new or special legislation. My experience over the past several years as governor has convinced me that ENDA would be an overly broad law that would open a litigation floodgate and unfairly penalize employers at the hands of activist judges...As for military policy and the ‘don’t ask, don’t tell’ policy, I trust the counsel of those in uniform who have set these policies over a dozen years ago. I agree with President Bush’s decision to maintain this policy and I would do the same.”
- Interview with National Review, December 14, 2006

In 2002, before the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court declared same-sex marriage protected by the Constitution, Romney denounced as “too extreme” the effort by pro-family groups to enact a preemptive state Marriage Protection Amendment prohibiting homosexual marriage, civil unions and same-sex public employee benefits.
- Boston Phoenix, May 14-20, 2004

MSNBC’s Joe Scarborough: “Do you support a national constitutional amendment to ban same-sex marriage?”

Governor Romney: “Boy, I sure do. You know, that’s a topic that’s really, I think, very important to the country because marriage is not just about adults.

“One issue I want to clarify concerns President Clinton’s “don’t ask, don’t tell, don’t pursue” military policy. I believe that the Clinton compromise was a step in the right direction. I am also convinced that it is the first of a number of steps that will ultimately lead to gays and lesbians being able to serve openly and honestly in our nation’s military. That goal will only be reached when preventing discrimination against gays and lesbians is a mainstream concern, which is a goal we share.”
Sincerely, W. Mitt Romney

“Romney arrived on the scene with great promise, but is leaving the Republican Party here in shambles. Not only are the Republicans yielding the governor’s office for the first time in 16 years, but registered Republicans have fallen by 31,000 since Romney took office, and their legislative presence is at historic lows. But it worked out fine for him: He is now chasing the prize he really covets, the presidency.”
- Boston Globe 11/8/2006

“The Massachusetts Republican Party died last Tuesday. The cause of death: failed leadership. The party is survived by a few leftover legislators and a handful of county officials and grassroots activists who have been ignored for years. Services will be public and a mass exodus of taxpayers will follow. In lieu of flowers, send messages to New Hampshire Republican voters warning them about a certain presidential candidate named Romney.”
- Boston Herald, 11/12/2006

“At a campaign appearance at Brandeis University in June 2002, Romney strongly endorsed stem cell research.”
- Boston Globe, December 17, 2006

“I studied the issue for many months, and entered into conversation with experts from across the nation who were looking for consensus solutions, like Stanford’s Dr. William Hurlbut. In the end, I became persuaded that the stem-cell debate was grounded in a false premise, and that the way through it was around it: by the use of scientific techniques that could produce the equivalent of embryonic stem cells but without cloning, creating, harming, or destroying developing human lives.”
- Governor Mitt Romney, Op-Ed, “A Stem-Cell Solution,” National Review Online, June 15, 2007

“When he ran for governor in 2002, Romney said he supported expanding access to the emergency contraception pill, a high dose of hormones that women can take to prevent pregnancy up to five days after sex . . . On a questionnaire Planned Parenthood gave to the gubernatorial candidates in 2002, Romney answered ‘yes’ to the question, ‘Do you support efforts to increase access to emergency contraception?’ “
- Boston Globe, July 7, 2005

“Yesterday I vetoed a bill that the Legislature forwarded to my desk. Though described by its sponsors as a measure relating to contraception, there is more to it than that. The bill does not involve only the prevention of conception: The drug it authorizes would also terminate life after conception.”
- Governor Mitt Romney, Op-Ed, “Why I Vetoed The Contraception Bill,” Boston Globe, July 26, 2005

Could someone tell me what this guy really believes?

Does Romney even know?


21 posted on 03/08/2010 1:17:33 PM PST by Sharrukin
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To: rabscuttle385

Except that Mitt had a conversion or so his supporters say. Except he’s still defending this plan so...maybe they’d like to explain how he can be a born again pro-lifer but still support this bill that isn’t really like Obama’s because...because....well Mitt doesn’t know why it’s not the same he just knows it is different.

Worth noting some “conservative” publication praised that plan when it first went into effect as the perfct means to triangulate healthcare from a conservative viewpoint. National Review was one of them.


22 posted on 03/08/2010 1:20:10 PM PST by Soul Seeker (? for anyone)
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To: Sharrukin
"Could someone tell me what this guy really believes?"

He "believes" whatever he thinks he needs to believe to get elected.

23 posted on 03/08/2010 1:22:44 PM PST by Jim Robinson (JUST VOTE THEM OUT! teapartyexpress.org)
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To: rabscuttle385

I wonder what excuse Ann Coulter and some of the other faux-cons will come up with to justify Romney?

Romney just another GOP Liberal


24 posted on 03/08/2010 1:24:43 PM PST by UCFRoadWarrior (National Security begins at the Border)
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To: Jim Robinson

That is kinda what I think. He will be a disaster of epic proportion if he wins the GOP candidacy.

John Kerry’s spiritual brother!


25 posted on 03/08/2010 1:25:18 PM PST by Sharrukin
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To: fieldmarshaldj; ejonesie22; greyfoxx39; big'ol_freeper

Romney ping.


26 posted on 03/08/2010 1:29:34 PM PST by rabscuttle385 (Live Free or Die)
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To: Sharrukin

Wow! When Romney endorsed McCain, I smelled a rat. Now I’m more inclined to mistrust him. Based on your hard hitting summary, ouch!

I had supported Romney over McCain and would again, but we HAVE to do better than THIS!


27 posted on 03/08/2010 1:32:35 PM PST by Arthur Wildfire! March (ONLINE TAX REVOLT 150,000 AND GROWING. http://www.onlinetaxrevolt.com)
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To: InterceptPoint
LOL, love those graphics, especially the one of Mitt-Witt!!!
As for all the RINOs and liberals clamoring to get on board the Romney campaign flight? Get a clue you screws:
Free Image Hosting at www.ImageShack.us
28 posted on 03/08/2010 1:32:54 PM PST by mkjessup
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To: rabscuttle385

I love how on top of things the media are LOL... They are just now finding this out and many of us here have been exposing it since a year ago. The dinosaur media can’t die fast enough.


29 posted on 03/08/2010 1:33:35 PM PST by big'ol_freeper ("Anyone pushing Romney must love socialism...Piss on Romney and his enablers!!" ~ Jim Robinson)
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To: avacado

In all fairness, the abortion inclusion package was added to the bill after Romney as I recall.


30 posted on 03/08/2010 1:35:05 PM PST by mentor2k
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To: Sharrukin; Jim Robinson
RE: John Kerry’s spiritual brother!

You nailed it. They both have the same nickname.. Flip.

31 posted on 03/08/2010 1:36:34 PM PST by big'ol_freeper ("Anyone pushing Romney must love socialism...Piss on Romney and his enablers!!" ~ Jim Robinson)
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To: Sharrukin

32 posted on 03/08/2010 1:37:45 PM PST by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: avacado

He was pathetic yesterday on Chris Wallace’s Sunday show.


33 posted on 03/08/2010 1:40:52 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: rabscuttle385
No offense, but if you have a problem with Obamacare and the dems desperate to pass it, and yet still want to vote for Romney in 2012, you're a hypocrite.

For the whole series of Zero dollar bills, go here:

"Flickr Archive of Zero Bills"

34 posted on 03/08/2010 1:41:01 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Deo volente
Imagine, you can kill a potential welfare queen for $50 in Massachusetts.

Really, when he signed the bill he stabbed needles into the hearts of tens of thousands of helpless infants.

I really doubt Romney should be running as a Republican ~ rather, he should be preparing to meet his Maker ~ because he's got a whole lot of 'splainin' to do and the adanced prep will take all the time he's got left ~ but I don't think it will do him any good.

35 posted on 03/08/2010 1:43:56 PM PST by muawiyah ("Git Out The Way")
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To: mentor2k
"the abortion inclusion package was added to the bill after Romney as I recall".

An oldie but a goodie. Doesn't matter if it was or not. In fact, just last July Mitt gave Romneycare an "A", in its current form! (that means with abortion coverage).

And not only that ... Mitt also commissioned a $30,000 portrait around the same time to commemorate his "greatest achievement" (three guesses what that was!) ....


The portrait depicts the governor seated at the front edge of his desk wearing his trademark business suit. Beside him is a small framed photo of his wife, Ann, and ... [wait for it] ... a copy of the health care reform law he called his greatest achievement. [note to mittbots; since this was June, 2009, this means he claims credit and praises the disaster of a healthcare plan the MASS Dems produced; which includes abortion coverage]

36 posted on 03/08/2010 1:47:33 PM PST by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Jim Robinson
He "believes" whatever he thinks he needs to believe to get elected.

Bingo! And here in California, liberal pro-abort Steve Poizner is moving hard to the right in a desperate attempt to cut into liberal Meg Whitman's lead in the GOP primary for Governor. Phoneys, all of them!
37 posted on 03/08/2010 1:53:42 PM PST by Deo volente (January 19, 2010...the Second American Revolution begins, right where it all started!)
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To: Servant of the Cross

Hey don’t jump on me. I was simply pointing out an often misrepresented fact. And if you’re gonna crucify someone, ALWAYS be SURE of your facts before you drive the nail.


38 posted on 03/08/2010 1:57:02 PM PST by mentor2k
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To: mentor2k
mentor2k: In all fairness, the abortion inclusion package
was added to the bill after Romney as I recall.
"

In all fairness, the fascist carpetbagger Mitt RomneyCARE
(of Utah, Mass. NH, Mi. CA) does not care about fairness,
citizens' votes,citizens' lives, or any Constitution, does he?

Mitt RomneyCARE used improper executive authority
While acting as a carpetbagger to impose HIS whim
rather than the peoples' will as he micturated upon on the Mass. Constitution
by Romney’s use of improper executive authority. [The Romney Way™]

"Experts: Credit Romney for homosexual marriage"
"What he (Governor Bishop Mitt Romney) did was exercise illegal legislative authority'

"While former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney claims he did everything possible to throttle homosexual marriage in his state – his campaign now saying he took "every conceivable step within the law to defend traditional marriage" – several constitutional experts say that just isn't so.

"What Romney did [was] he exercised illegal legislative authority," Herb Titus said of the governor's actions after the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court released its opinion in the Goodridge case in 2003. "He was bound by what? There was no order. There wasn't even any order to the Department of Public Health to do anything."

Titus, a Harvard law graduate, was founding dean of Pat Robertson's Regent University Law School. He also worked with former Alabama Supreme Court Chief Justice Roy Moore, ...

Romney's aides have told WND that after four of the seven court members reinterpreted the definition of marriage, he believed he had no choice but to direct clerks and others to change state marriage forms and begin registering same-sex couples.

Some opponents contend that with those actions, Romney did no more or less than create the first homosexual marriages recognized in the nation. And Titus agrees."

"....But the court's decision conflicts with the constitutional philosophy of three co-equal branches of government: executive, legislative and judicial, Titus said. It also violates with the Massachusetts Constitution, which states: "The power of suspending the laws, or (suspending) the execution of the laws, ought never to be exercised but by the legislature..."

And it cannot even be derived from the opinion itself, asserts the pro-family activist group Mass Resistance, which says the decision did four things:

* First, it acknowledged that the current law does not permit same-sex marriage.

"The only reasonable explanation is that the Legislature did not intend that same-sex couples be licensed to marry. We conclude, as did the judge, that G.L. c. 207 may not be construed to permit same-sex couples to marry."

* Second, it said it is NOT striking down the marriage laws (among other things, the Massachusetts Constitution forbids a court to change laws)

"Here, no one argues that striking down the marriage laws is an appropriate form of relief."

* Third, it declared that not allowing same-sex marriages is a violation of the Massachusetts Constitution.

"We declare that barring an individual from the protections, benefits, and obligations of civil marriage solely because that person would marry a person of the same sex violates the Massachusetts Constitution."

* And fourth, given that the court is not changing any laws, the SJC gave the Legislature 180 days to "take such action as it may deem appropriate."

"We vacate the summary judgment for the department. We remand this case to the Superior Court for entry of judgment consistent with this opinion. Entry of judgment shall be stayed for 180 days to permit the Legislature to take such action as it may deem appropriate in light of this opinion."

After the Legislature did nothing during the 180 days, Romney then took action "on his own," the group said.

"Gov. Romney's legal counsel issued a directive to the Justices of the Peace that they must perform same-sex marriages when requested or 'face personal liability' or be fired," the group said."

39 posted on 03/08/2010 2:00:24 PM PST by Diogenesis ("Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God." --Thomas Jefferson)
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To: mentor2k
I apologize if you felt I "jumped on you" and I am very sure my post didn't rise to the level of "crucify". I intended a "just the facts ma'am" kind of thing since it seemed from your post that you weren't clear on this aspect of Mitt's love of his greatest achievement. You merely stated something that's been debunked here hundreds of times already.

Since you also warned me to be sure of facts before I post, is there some fact that my post is missing? I'm open to being educated as I intended to help you.

40 posted on 03/08/2010 2:06:00 PM PST by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Sharrukin

Romney bookmark....

This is good stuff!


41 posted on 03/08/2010 2:08:13 PM PST by DrewsMum (Looking for the bumper sticker that says "My Child is an Honor Student, but my President is a Moron")
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To: Servant of the Cross
No problem. I am not a Romney supporter, NOR will I allow myself to be used as a "tool" for the left-winged media. As a footnote and update to the story this thread spawned from:

Update: Romney spokesman Eric Fehrnstrom emails in response to the post:

"Court rulings in Massachusetts require state-subsidized health plans to offer abortion services," he said. "It's not something that Governor Romney agrees with, but it's longstanding court precedent that predates his administration."

UPDATE to the CBSNews Story

42 posted on 03/08/2010 2:19:21 PM PST by mentor2k
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To: rabscuttle385

“Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn’t pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children’s children what it was once like in the United States where men were free.” ~~ President Ronald Reagan
OBAMANOMICS—TRICKLE DOWN DESTRUCTION of the economy
Bambi doesn’t keep his promises...so buyer beware!

SET THEIR LOCAL AND DC LINES ON FIRE!

PLEASE ASK THEM TO REPEAL THE BIG NEW FEES in TRICARE for Life, the retired Military over 65 secondary health ins. which they passed in a DOD bill. They promised our Military these benefits, and our Military have earned them.

Sen Scott Brown’s number is 202-224-4543
Capitol Hill switchboard is 202-224-3121

Lots of local demwit phone numbers on this thread
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2408217/posts

Rename, repackage, rewrite it a tad smaller, and sell another pig in a poke. NO COLAs for granny, retired Military or retired fed employees. BIG NEW fees for Tricare for Life retired over 65 Military’s secondary health ins. (DOD bill already passed, delayed but goes into effect 2011 NEEDS TO BE REPEALED!
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OBAMA’s WAR ON SENIORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2433867/posts/

New Dem mantra: Woof, woof eat dog food granny....ala let them eat cake.

Obama says slight fix will extend Social Security, http://townhall.com/news/us/2010/02/19/obama_says_slight_fix_will_extend_social_security

Health Care Rationing for Seniors Another Problem in New Obama Plan http://www.lifenews.com/bio3058.html

Medicare tax may apply to investment income (ObamaCare tax hike)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2460988/posts

Obama: No reduced Medicare benefits in health care reform
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/07/28/obama.health.care/index.html

Will healthcare reform mean cuts in Medicare for seniors?
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2009/1017/will-healthcare-reform-mean-cuts-in-medicare-for-seniors

Health Reform’s Hidden Victims Young people and seniors would pay a high price for ObamaCare.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203517304574306303720472842.html

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SOCIALIZED MED THREAD http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2466239/posts
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MILITARY & Retired MILITARY
Veterans’ G.I. Bill benefits MIA
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2464680/posts
TRI CARE FOR LIFE This from a google search:

http://economicspolitics.blogspot.com/2009/05/tricare-for-life-is-obama-trying-to.html

This option would help reduce the costs of TFL, as well as costs for Medicare, by introducing minimum out-of pocket requirements for beneficiaries. Under this option, TFL would not cover any of the first $525 of an enrollee’s cost-sharing liabilities for calendar year 2011 and would limit coverage to 50 percent of the next $4,725 in Medicare cost sharing that the beneficiary incurred. (Because all further cost sharing would be covered by TFL, enrollees could not pay more than $2,888 in cost sharing in that year.) http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/99xx/doc9925/12-18-HealthOptions.pdf

Bill Would Restrict Veterans’ Health Care Options 11/06/09
Buyer and McKeon Offer Amendments to Protect Veterans and TRICARE Beneficiaries

Congress plans to block Tricare fee increases
http://www.armytimes.com/news/2009/10/military_tricarefees_blocked_100709w
http://www.navytimes.com/news/2009/10/military_tricarefees_blocked_100709w/

By Rick Maze - Staff writer, Oct 7, 2009

Tricare fee increases imposed last week by the Defense Department will be repealed by a provision of the compromise 2010 defense authorization bill unveiled Wednesday by House and Senate negotiators.

The fee increases were announced on Sept. 30 and took effect on Oct. 1, but the defense bill, HR 2647, includes a provision barring any fee increases until the start of fiscal 2011.

Retired Army Maj. Gen. Bill Matz, president of the National Association for Uniformed Services, said the announcement of fee increases was shocking considering that the Obama administration promised earlier this year to hold off on any new fee Tricare fee increases until fiscal 2011.

“President Obama and DoD assured NAUS and the entire military family earlier this year that there would rightly be no increases in any Tricare fees” in fiscal 2010, Matz said. “We took them at their word, and I can’t believe that a co-pay increase like this was allowed to go forward,” he added.


43 posted on 03/08/2010 2:23:27 PM PST by GailA (obamacare paid for by cuts & taxes on most vulnerable Veterans, disabled,seniors & retired Military)
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To: rabscuttle385

Obamacare call list: Courtsey of TN Eagle Forum: List now contains the new MAYBES culled from FR posts.

PLEASE CALL! DC OFFICE LOCAL OFFICE State District

Harry Mitchell (202) 225-2190 (480) 946-2411 AZ 5th District
Gabrielle Giffords (202) 225-2542 (520) 881-3588 AZ 8th District
Ann Kirkpatrick (202) 225-2315 (928) 226-6914 AZ 1st District
Jerry McNerney (202) 225-1947 925-833-0643 CA 11th District
John Salazar 202-225-4761 970-245-7107 CO 3rd District
Jim Himes (202) 225-5541 (866) 453-0028 CT 4th District
Alan Grayson (202) 225-2176 (407) 841-1757 FL 8th District
Bill Foster (202) 225-2976 630-406-1114 IL 14th District
Baron Hill 202 225 5315 812 288 3999 IN 9th District
Mark Schauer (202) 225-6276 (517) 780-9075 MI 7th District
Gary Peters (202) 225-5802 (248) 273-4227 MI 9th District
Dina Titus (202) 225-3252 702-256-DINA (3462) NV 3rd District
Carol Shea-Porter (202) 225-5456 (603) 743-4813 NH 1st District
Tim Bishop (202) 225-3826 (631) 696-6500 NY 1st District
John Hall (202) 225-5441 (845) 225-3641 x49371 NY 19th District
Bill Owens (202) 225-4611 (315) 782-3150 NY 23rd District
Mike Arcuri (202)225-3665 (315)793-8146 NY 24th District
Dan Maffei (202) 225-3701 (315) 423-5657 NY 25th District
Earl Pomeroy (202) 225-2611 (701) 224-0355 ND At-Large District
Steven Driehaus (202) 225-2216 (513) 684-2723 OH 1st District
Mary Jo Kilroy (202) 225-2015 (614) 294-2196 OH 15th District
Zach Space (202) 225-6265 (330) 364-4300 OH 18th District
Kathy Dahlkemper (202) 225-5406 (814) 456-2038 PA 3rd District
Patrick Murphy (202) 225-4276 (215) 826-1963 PA 8th District
Christopher Carney (202) 225-3731 (570) 585-9988 PA 10th District
Paul Kanjorski (202) 225-6511 (570) 825-2200 PA 11th District
John Spratt (202) 225-5501 (803)327-1114 SC 5th District
Tom Perriello (202) 225-4711 (276) 656-2291 VA 5th District
Alan Mollohan (202) 225-4172 (304) 623-4422 WVA 1st District
Nick Rahall (202) 225-3452 (304) 252-5000 WVA 3rd District
Steve Kagen (202) 225-5665 (920) 437-1954 WI 8th District
Bart Gordon (202) 225-4231 TN (MAYBE)
Bart Stupak (202) 225 4735 MI (MAYBE)
Brian Baird (202) 225-3536, Vancouver, (360) 695-6292. Olympia, (360) 352-9768, (MAYBE)
senator mark begich (202) 224-3004 toll free. (877) 501 - 6275 just became a MAYBE
John Tanner (202) 225-4714, Union City, (731) 885-7070, Jackson Phone: (731) 423-4848, Millington (901) 873-5690 TN (MAYBE)
Jason Altmire 202-225-2565, Aliquippa, 724-378-0928, Natrona Heights, 724-226-1304 (MAYBE)


44 posted on 03/08/2010 2:24:59 PM PST by GailA (obamacare paid for by cuts & taxes on most vulnerable Veterans, disabled,seniors & retired Military)
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To: mentor2k

Wouldn’t that mean that Romney knew it would be a part of his RomneyCare bill?


45 posted on 03/08/2010 2:26:09 PM PST by Sharrukin
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To: Sharrukin

It’s a fair question and one we should research to be sure. I will do a little more digging.


46 posted on 03/08/2010 2:28:58 PM PST by mentor2k
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To: mentor2k
This has been covered before. Said coverage was required by state law since 1981 - long before Mitt became governor. 17 other states also require coverage for low-income women. Most of the states are blue states, although Alaska and Arizona are included as well.

-In 1981, The Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court Ruled That The State Constitution Required Payment For Abortion Services For Medicaid-Eligible Women. (Moe v. Secretary of Admin & Finance, 1981)

- According To The Decision, When A State Subsidizes Medical Care, It Cannot Infringe On "The Exercise Of A Fundamental Right" Which The Court Interpreted As Access To Medically Necessary Abortion Services. (Moe v. Secretary of Admin & Finance, 1981)

- In 1997, The Supreme Judicial Court Reaffirmed Its Position That A State-Subsidized Plan Must Offer "Medically Necessary Abortions." (Planned Parenthood League of Massachusetts, Inc. v. Attorney General, 1997)

17 states provide low-income women access to abortion: AK, AZ, CA, CT, HI, IL, MD, MA, MN, MT, NJ, NM, NY, OR, VT, WA, WV. http://www.naral.org/choice-action-center/in_your_state/who-decides/fast-facts/low-income-women.html

47 posted on 03/08/2010 3:00:11 PM PST by redgirlinabluestate
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To: rabscuttle385

Romney is a no go. He needs to just find some other line of work.


48 posted on 03/08/2010 3:52:04 PM PST by eleni121 (For Jesus did not give us a timid spirit , but a spirit of power, of love and of self-discipline)
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To: Diogenesis

Don’t you get peeved that you have to spend so much time, on the premier conservative forum on the web, slapping down an imposter like Romney? I sure do.

Who would have thought a little more than a year ago that so many liberal lovers would continually push this phony as a legitimate conservative for so long.


49 posted on 03/08/2010 4:00:29 PM PST by big'ol_freeper ("Anyone pushing Romney must love socialism...Piss on Romney and his enablers!!" ~ Jim Robinson)
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To: redgirlinabluestate

Piss on Romney and his enablers!!


50 posted on 03/08/2010 4:01:26 PM PST by big'ol_freeper ("Anyone pushing Romney must love socialism...Piss on Romney and his enablers!!" ~ Jim Robinson)
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