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Are Tea Partiers really conservative?
Daily Caller ^ | March 8, 2010 | John Feehery

Posted on 03/09/2010 1:39:29 PM PST by Ronbo1948

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To: Ronbo1948
The New Left

Got their start as Red Diaper doper babies. Indoctrinated in Marxist ideals and the calls for revolution by their parents, instructors, and "comrades".

Those who come to conservativism probably point to one individual here or there who got them on the path (and then led them to more reading, etc).

The dominant media has browbeat the public for decades that to be "politically correct" is to be liberal. Anything else is satirized and demonized and wholly misrepresented. Even historical accounts are revised to serve the movement.

21 posted on 03/09/2010 1:53:57 PM PST by a fool in paradise
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Chaos for chaos’s sake is a lefty thing.

And anarchy is a libertarian thing; no difference.

22 posted on 03/09/2010 1:54:33 PM PST by La Enchiladita (wise gringa)
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To: MrRobertPlant2009
The issue that should concern conservatives is that the Tea Party movement is a populist movement. And populist movements are inherently unconservative.

If a populist movement arises in a society which has a fairly free market, that is true. But if one arises in a society which is dominated by government, such as Poland in the late 1970s or America under Obama, it isn't true.

23 posted on 03/09/2010 1:55:04 PM PST by Brugmansian
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To: T-Bird45
As such it seems totally appropriate to turn their tactics back on them to achieve that effect and thereby advance conservative candidates

Correct.
When you are dealing with a dictatorial communist like 0bama, who uses no holds barred, hardball, destructive tactics to crush all who oppose him, you have no alternative but to his his own tactics against him. Always put yourself in the mind of your enemy, and figure out what they are going to do next, then use his own strengths and tactics against him.

24 posted on 03/09/2010 1:55:23 PM PST by SmokingJoe
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To: Ronbo1948
It is even more fun to follow Glen Beck’s conspiracy theories, to connect the dots in ways that were never meant to be connected

Thats funny, when you consider that the most dangerous thing he does is to roll the tape and let us hear them speak with their own words coming out of their own mouths.

25 posted on 03/09/2010 1:55:32 PM PST by marron
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To: MrRobertPlant2009

The issue that should concern conservatives is that the Tea Party movement is a populist movement. And populist movements are inherently unconservative.

Huh? You can’t have a populist movement in support of enumerated Constitutional rights (also known as republican form of government)? I think they chose the name Tea Party because it beckened back to another populist movement called the American Revolution.


26 posted on 03/09/2010 1:56:11 PM PST by equalitybeforethelaw
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To: La Enchiladita

There’s a broad spectrum of philosophies that go under the name of libertarian and not all believe in abolishing government.


27 posted on 03/09/2010 1:56:44 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: Ronbo1948

“True Conservatives” by this guy’s definition would have loved Mussolini.


28 posted on 03/09/2010 1:56:56 PM PST by DManA
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To: Ronbo1948

When you have a Kenyan Muslim Communist in charge, determined to destroy the country with the help of corrupt idiots like Pelosi and Reid, then that’s hardly the time to sit back on your sofa and think about Original Sin.

Yes, there is original sin. And there’s also actual sin. And there’s evil. And I’m sorry to say that evil people have taken over our country. Corrupt, greedy, power-drunk, heartless. The kind of people who like to kill babies and smile while they do it.


29 posted on 03/09/2010 1:57:29 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Ronbo1948

The term “conservative” in our country usually applies to individuals that believe the constitution should be followed as written and do not believe it is a living document unless the amendment process is followed.

But non-conservatives sometimes forget that that same constitution was written by revolutionaries. If the constitution has become ignored and irrelevant over time that revolutionary spirit will return. The term Tea Partier fits that feeling very well.


30 posted on 03/09/2010 1:57:50 PM PST by toast
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To: Ronbo1948
Wow, what an idiot.

A civil society does not pass on trillions of dollars of debt to children not yet born.

A civil society does not force its citizens into an inferior health care system while providing the political class with a superior system just for themselves.

A civil society does not seek to destroy law-abiding businesses with destructive regulations and fees to battle an imaginary crisis.

A civil society does not confiscate the wealth of the nation and dole out the spoils out to its political comrades.

A marxist society is NOT a civil society.

And to compare the Tea Party to the radicals of the sixties is idiotic in the extreme. How many inner cities have the Tea Partiers burned down? How many cops have they killed? How many soldiers have they spit on? How many god-awful folk singers have they unleashed?

31 posted on 03/09/2010 1:58:19 PM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: SmokingJoe

Sometimes, just letting the dictator flame out without any help is sufficient. That’s the tack the GOP is taking in the Bummercare fiasco.


32 posted on 03/09/2010 1:58:22 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: T-Bird45

Alisky’s rules are Stalinist by nature. Say one thing to tear down the opposition. Use one argument to pass some legislation. Hypocrisy is not an issue. “By any means necessary” is.

They lie like Stalinists and do not have any moral feelings that this is “wrong”.


33 posted on 03/09/2010 1:58:42 PM PST by a fool in paradise
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To: Ronbo1948
and they should show respect for those who hold office.

AAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!

34 posted on 03/09/2010 1:59:39 PM PST by rocksblues (Obama, the biggest liar in the history of American politics!)
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To: Ronbo1948
"The dictionary definition of conservative is, 'Favoring traditional views and values; tending to oppose change.' Russell Kirk, the iconic conservative thinker, considered conservatism 'the negation of ideology. Edmund Burke, considered by many the father of conservative thought because of his condemnation of the French Revolution, put it this way, 'custom reconciles us to everything.'"

All who have read and absorbed Edmund Burke's "Speech on Conciliation . . . ." or any who knew Dr. Russell Kirk or his extensive writings will immediately recognize that this writer neither knows nor understands either of these two great thinkers. What a shallow summation of both!

So much for his "analysis" of Tea Partiers and/or conservatives!

One fact is certain: those who are involved in Tea Parties must not let either the Far Left or radical elements in the society define them. The problem with labels, such as "conservative," is that they mean one thing to one person and another to another.

The future of liberty in the world is at stake right now, and those who truly wish to preserve (conserve) the principles and ideas of liberty underlying our Declaration of Independence and Constitution must define themselves as just that--preservers of liberty!

35 posted on 03/09/2010 2:00:41 PM PST by loveliberty2
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To: Ronbo1948
True conservatives value one thing over any thing else: societal stability.

Really, not Freedom, not Liberty? The problem with a statement like "societal stability" is that it allows others to define what creates the stability and/or creates limiting factors to create said stability. "Societal stability" is a result, it isn't a finish line.

36 posted on 03/09/2010 2:01:12 PM PST by mnehring
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To: Ronbo1948

Could John Feehery and David Brooks possibly be more clueless? I think not. Even when armed with a dictionary definition of conservatism, they still manage to get it wrong.


37 posted on 03/09/2010 2:02:23 PM PST by revo evom
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To: Ronbo1948

This is confused gobbeldegook.


38 posted on 03/09/2010 2:04:47 PM PST by RoadTest (Wealth isn't obscene. Poverty is obscene. - Thomas (man of few but dynamite words) Sowell)
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To: Ronbo1948
He lumps too much stuff together under the tea party label. There would be "birthers" without tea parties and a lot of the tea partiers aren't "birthers."

The things he attacks -- Rush, conspiracy theories, incivility -- were around before the tea parties and don't really make a single cohesive package.

Politics have always been rough and tumble, and if you make stability or institutional continuity or some vision of "social stability" your touchstone you lose out to those who are willing to mobilize masses and passions. If only in self-defense, you can't simply speak softly and celebrate the status quo.

But he does have a valid point: movement politics do tend to get out of control and sometimes people do come to relish polarization more than the actual goals they strive for. Enmity or animosity can become an end in itself when passions get too strong.

39 posted on 03/09/2010 2:05:38 PM PST by x
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To: Ronbo1948

One of Alinsky’s key tactics is to try to use your own values against you. That is the primary thing this article does. It fails, because like most non-conservatives he doesn’t understand the nature of American conservatism, which has nothing at all to do with traditionalism and does not place order as its supreme value.

For us its constitutionalism. Rule of law. Personal responsibility. Liberty.


40 posted on 03/09/2010 2:07:26 PM PST by marron
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