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Fed agencies seize toys, call them 'machine guns'
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | March 12, 2010 | Bob Unruh

Posted on 03/12/2010 3:26:07 AM PST by Man50D

A gun rights organization has launched a Freedom of Information request following a decision by federal Customs and Border Protection agents to seize a shipment of toy pellet guns and a determination by the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives that they could be converted into machine guns so they must be destroyed.

Government agencies have explained that the Airsoft toys, made of a soft pot metal and lacking a firing mechanism, easily could be converted into a true weapon capable of automatic fire.

"Our firearms technology branch classified this as a machine gun," BATFE Special Agent Kelvin Crenshaw said in a report assembled by Gun Owners of America. "With minimal work it could be converted to a machine gun."

Gun Owners spokesman Erich Pratt told WND today his organization has launched a FOIA demand for information to find out on what basis the government reached that conclusion.

The case stems from the confiscation just weeks ago of the shipment of several dozen of the plastic pellet-firing Airsoft toys from Brad Martin and his son, Ben, in Cornelius, Ore.

(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...


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1 posted on 03/12/2010 3:26:08 AM PST by Man50D
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To: Man50D

More proof we are paying salaries to useless and unneeded Federal drones. Who have to dream up make work jobs for themselves because online poker and porn gets real boring after a while. Most of these clowns spend their days planning their lunch hour, circling their vacation days on the calendar, b!tching with their co-workers about how underpaid they are


2 posted on 03/12/2010 3:32:58 AM PST by dennisw (It all comes 'round again --Fairport)
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Goes for a lot of state drones as well.


3 posted on 03/12/2010 3:36:38 AM PST by wally_bert (It's sheer elegance in its simplicity! - The Middleman)
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To: Man50D

Get ready...if they’re justifying seizing the toys...


4 posted on 03/12/2010 3:41:18 AM PST by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Man50D

“Our firearms technology branch classified this as a machine gun,”

Then that branch must be populated by idiots.


5 posted on 03/12/2010 3:47:08 AM PST by Adder (Proudly ignoring Zero since 1-20-09! WTFU!)
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To: Man50D

A toy gun .. “Made of Pot Metal” that could be made into an automatic weapon?

Now THAT is something I’d Love to see.

Better yet ,, I want to see the poor AssHat that would ‘try’ to fire that “Converted Automatic”!


6 posted on 03/12/2010 3:57:11 AM PST by plinyelder ("I've noticed that everybody that is for abortion has already been born." -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: plinyelder

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rEuTwYALho

Watch this if you want to see how we’re being kept safe.


7 posted on 03/12/2010 4:05:03 AM PST by Quanah
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To: plinyelder

Took the words right out of my mouth. The first guy to pull that trigger is going to set a whole new standard for the term ‘Epic Fail’.


8 posted on 03/12/2010 4:05:55 AM PST by DemforBush (Somebody wake me when sanity has returned to the nation.)
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To: Man50D

I’m wondering if the Feds had this guy in mind when they made their decision:

http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/index.ssf/2010/02/sledding_fail_clarkston_man_ho.html

I mean, he *does* sound like the kind of guy who would be up for trying to put live rounds through an Airsoft rifle. :-)


9 posted on 03/12/2010 4:09:25 AM PST by DemforBush (Somebody wake me when sanity has returned to the nation.)
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To: Man50D

JACK BOOTED BUFFOONS!!!!

we are paying for this folks.


10 posted on 03/12/2010 4:13:12 AM PST by Vaquero (BHO....'The Pretenda from Kenya')
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To: Adder

Yes. BATF, so not surprising.


11 posted on 03/12/2010 4:14:27 AM PST by cookiedough
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To: plinyelder

Well it COULD be converted to an automatic weapon. Just replace all the parts with real machine gun parts and there ya go!

These boneheads just don’t want to admit they screwed up which is even more dangerous.


12 posted on 03/12/2010 4:17:17 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Man50D
There are many gun owning, 2nd Amendment supporters out there who are, or voted for, Democrats . One of the most extreme examples is Rep. Dingell of Michigan. (but this isn't about Dingell, it's just an extreme example).

I don't see how anyone who is a supporter of the 2nd Amendment can vote for a Democrat. This is not 1960. The Democrats of today are left wing EXTREMISTS hell bent on radically changing this country and dragging it to left. THERE IS NO MIDDLE-GROUND. And, the Dems are moving in "lock step"; When it comes to voting on legislation. There are no independent, 1960 Dems. Dems do what the Dem leadership tells them.

Strategically, in the macro view,, there can be no bi-partisanship (i.e. "bi-partisanship", to a Dems is only a minor change to a left-wing bill or it is used as a "talking point" to criticize Republicans.)

13 posted on 03/12/2010 4:20:52 AM PST by LZ_Bayonet ( I AM THE TEA PARTY LEADER !)
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Okay, folks, here’s how it could be done.

1. Get a real lower receiver.
2. Get a real upper receiver.
3. Get a real barrel.
4. Install a real gas system.
5. Install a real trigger group.

Use the rails and flip-up sites that came with the toy. They’ll last for about 25 rounds before they’ll fail.

Of course, you’ll have to fill out all the paperwork to legally buy the lower receiver.


14 posted on 03/12/2010 4:28:40 AM PST by cizinec
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To: Man50D

Bulletin: Federal agents have been dispatched to seize truckloads of water pic toothbrushes, impulse lawn sprinklers, popcorn poppers, and automatic nail guns recently classified as “machine guns.” All of these devices are capable of automatically projecting objects at speed in a rapid fashion. Gummint investigators are examining other devices such as paint sprayers, air compressors, ice dispensers, and motorized saws in hopes of reclassifying them as machine guns.


15 posted on 03/12/2010 4:32:37 AM PST by Right Wing Assault (The Obama magic is <strike>fading</strike>gone.)
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To: Man50D

Special agent Kelvin Crenshaw is an idiot.


16 posted on 03/12/2010 4:37:02 AM PST by muddler (Obama is either incompetent or malicious, and it makes little difference which.)
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To: LZ_Bayonet

“I don’t see how anyone who is a supporter of the 2nd Amendment can vote for a Democrat.”

Because they don’t realize the party has changed and won’t admit they might be wrong. They also won’t admit the are after our guns.


17 posted on 03/12/2010 4:37:21 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: cizinec
I believe the real concern here is that the airsoft lower receivers can be mounted to a real AR upper assembly; even the front and rear pins that mate the two halves are the correct size. Furthermore, one of the "drop-in" type AR trigger/hammer packs could be successfully fitted to the airsoft lower with perhaps some Dremel work and shim stock.

If you've ever seen an "80% complete" AR lower receiver (sold w/o serial number, no 4473 needed, etc...), then you can see why this toy has F-Troop so stirred-up. That lower is much closer to 100% functional than they would like.

I'm wondering how many of these things were sold before BATF caught on.

18 posted on 03/12/2010 4:46:36 AM PST by Charles Martel ("Endeavor to persevere...")
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To: Man50D
Video on how to put a Ruger 10/22 rifle inside of an Airsoft P90 frame:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vl7FXv-Fkg

19 posted on 03/12/2010 4:48:13 AM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: cizinec
Okay, folks, here’s how it could be done.

1. Get a real lower receiver.
2. Get a real upper receiver.
3. Get a real barrel.
4. Install a real gas system.
5. Install a real trigger group.

Use the rails and flip-up sites that came with the toy. They’ll last for about 25 rounds before they’ll fail.

Of course, you’ll have to fill out all the paperwork to legally buy the lower receiver.


20 posted on 03/12/2010 4:48:33 AM PST by Vaquero (BHO....'The Pretenda from Kenya')
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