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To: etraveler13

Geez... how about the one sentence version?


2 posted on 03/14/2010 12:05:15 PM PDT by pabianice
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To: pabianice
how about the one sentence version?

Where's the Birth Certificate?

5 posted on 03/14/2010 12:10:12 PM PDT by UCANSEE2
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To: pabianice

If you have followed the debate on Obama’s qualifications under the constitution of the United States, as a Natural Born Citizen, quite a bit of time has been spent on the seeming inablility of anyone to define what Natural Born Citizen means. Many have argued Vattels definition, but none that I have read showed actual Supreme Court decisions that quantify, in this case, 4 times, not only who, but why, and how SCOTUS defines NBC.
IMO this clearly shows that Obama is NOT a NBC by virtue of his Fathers citizenship in another country, and the requirement that Both Parents be citizens of the US for the child to qualify as a candidate for the highest office in the Land.
Many argued that Wong Kim Ark, did this, in fact, it only made him a citizen, not a Natural Born Citizen.


6 posted on 03/14/2010 12:13:17 PM PDT by etraveler13
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To: pabianice

The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the
country, of parents who are citizens.

English terms; used to render the idea convyed by the
French phrase “les naturels, ou indigenes”: but both refered to the same category of citizen: one born in the country,
of parents who were citizens of that country.

“indigenous”, means “begotten from within” (inde-genes), as in the phrase “the

indigenous natives are the peoples who have been born and lived there for generations.” Hence the meaning the the term,

“natural born citizen”, or “naturels ou indigenes” is the same: born in the country of two parents who are citizens of
that country.

The natives or indigenes are those born in the country of parents who are citizens.

CONCLUSION Finally it should be noted, that to define a term is to indicate the category or class of things which it signifies. In this sense, the Supreme Court of the United States has never applied the term “natural born citizen” to any other category than “those born in the country of parents who are citizens thereof”.


8 posted on 03/14/2010 12:15:44 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Should people be questioning their government? Yes and "Where's the birth certificate?")
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To: pabianice

Its too bad the same court will be under too much pressure by their employers to apply an imperial definition.

I mean under the laws then in effect Obama’s mother was too young to pass on citizenship, so there only remains the fact that Obama was born in the one of the United States, to a mother too young to pass on citizenship, and a father who was a foreign national.

Does that make him a natural born citizen, just a deface citizen or not a citizen at all by virtue of his father.

There are 3 possible Status for Obama:
A: Natural born Citizens (either by Birth or by mother)
B: Simply Citizens. (for lack of transition or forfeiture to be regained later)
C: Not a Citizens for lack of transition or forfeiture.

Theses questions have significants in the issue of our immigration issue. If foreigners have citizenship in the Untied States simply by being born in the United States as is presumed to exist under the 14th Amendment then this creates a major illegal immigration problem for us.

Otherwise Obama’s citizenship is entirely depended upon his mother who was at the time too young to transmit her citizenship, under the then existing law.

So the questions are:

1: Was he born in Hawaii?

Assuming he was which is what the evidence suggest there are more questions:

2: Was his citizenship given to him by birth in Hawaii or by parents?

(Note: This is the important question I spoke of above as it has significance implications to our immigration problem.)

Assuming he somehow acquired citizenship either by birth or thou his mother there are 2 further questions:

3: Did Obama acquire “natural born” citizen status thou the above means?

Assuming he did acquire such “natural born” citizenship status thou the above means:

4: Did Obama ever renounce such citizenship status thou his activities in Indonesia?

Note: many of theses questions could also be applied to John McCain who’s only clam to Natural born Citizenship status is thou his American parents, as he was born in Panama. An interesting paradigm as if Obama’s mother was too young to transmit citizenship status and such status does not come from mere birth in the United States then McCain was the only presidential canadit that was eligible, otherwise Obama was.

There must be 2 separate methods for obtaining such status if they are both eligible, or the law which made Obama’s mother too young was unconstitutional.


112 posted on 03/14/2010 3:18:20 PM PDT by Monorprise
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