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Virginia AG outlines Obama eligibility test
WorldNetDaily ^ | MARCH 16, 2010 | Bob Unruh

Posted on 03/16/2010 11:22:52 AM PDT by RobinMasters

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1 posted on 03/16/2010 11:22:52 AM PDT by RobinMasters
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To: ExTexasRedhead; justiceseeker93; traderrob6; OL Hickory; socialismisinsidious; trlambsr; Altera; ...

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2 posted on 03/16/2010 11:23:06 AM PDT by RobinMasters
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To: RobinMasters

He was only answering a question. He never said he was going to step up and put action behind his words. Sounds like political talk.


3 posted on 03/16/2010 11:25:46 AM PDT by bgill (The framers of the US Constitution established an entire federal government in 18 pages.)
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To: RobinMasters; Fred Nerks; null and void; stockpirate; george76; PhilDragoo; Candor7; rxsid; ...
Ping to the Unqualified President Defence in Court.

Notice how quickly the MSM is grabbing this story and running with it.

I mean Drudge should have it at least. This is big nubes!

4 posted on 03/16/2010 11:27:59 AM PDT by Candor7 (Now's the time to ante up against the Obama Fascist Junta ( member NRA))
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To: RobinMasters

“It doesn’t strike me as beyond the realm of possibility” sounds to me like “there might be a 1 in 1000 chance.”

Much ado about nothing.


5 posted on 03/16/2010 11:30:52 AM PDT by freespirited (We're not the Party of No. We're the Party of HELL NO!!!)
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To: RobinMasters

He answered a question as truthfully as he could. Without lying as Obama and his thugs would do. He says basically, someone will break a law that obama signed off on, they will be caught and go to court and say Obama is not president and the law is void. Then Obama will have to prove he was president so the criminal can be prosecuted under his law. Now he is a birther?

Where this may not work, is the military cases were thrown out or dropped pretty much based on the same principle that obama has no right to send them to Iraq or wherever. All Obama would have to do is order the criminal DOJ department to drop charges.

It’s like two mafia crime families finally gaining power over all of the United states. DOJ Eric Holder wanting this much power forever and muslim Obama wanting US destruction forever.


6 posted on 03/16/2010 11:45:46 AM PDT by OafOfOffice (W.C:Socialism:Philosophy of failure,creed of ignorance,gospel of envy,the equal sharing of misery)
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To: Candor7; LucyT
He says basically, someone will break a law that obama signed off on, they will be caught and go to court and say Obama is not president and the law is void.

Where this may not work, is the military cases were thrown out or dropped pretty much based on the same principle that obama has no right to send them to Iraq or wherever.

I have said this several times. But all this represents is a description of a person who might become a party who would have standing to assert the claim. The military guys who challenge an order are the classic case.

And then, Obama has responded in the military cases by simply dismissing the basis for the claim. Same would happen in the case of breach of a federal law.

The real case is legislation where someone has an affirmative duty that they don't want to perform (pay taxes or fees etc.) and which the President doesn't really have any capability to withdraw.

Then you get to the real problem. You have identified a plaintiff who has standing; he has a claim which would work if Obama is not eligible; we know Obama is in fact not eligible because he was born in Mombasa--the result is not automatic. Because when you get to the courthouse with those conditions, you will be met by some of the highest powered lawyers in the world to resist. And unless you have the same quality of legal help, you lose anyway.

7 posted on 03/16/2010 11:56:45 AM PDT by David (...)
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I still think that the “birthers” are going at this all wrong. Instead of trying to find ways to have the sitting President prove that his is eligible, we should be focused on making sure that no one is ever able to get that far in the next round of elections.

We simply need one state to pass a law requiring that every candidate for Federal office be able to prove that they are eligble. The state could specify what documents should be presented in order to prove it.

Pretty simple, yet I have heard nothing about any state doing that.


8 posted on 03/16/2010 12:05:28 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (I do not live in Vermont. I did for four years and that was plenty.)
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To: Vermont Lt
We simply need one state to pass a law requiring that every candidate for Federal office be able to prove that they are eligble. The state could specify what documents should be presented in order to prove it.

I forget which state, but I believe that at least one state has this on the agenda right now. If not, they should.

Forget my state. It's as blue as MA.

9 posted on 03/16/2010 12:09:09 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: RobinMasters

All the Virginia AG has to do is demand that all presidential candidates prove they are eligible. Then let the 0bama-trons get into a big tussle whether the AG can demand a birth certificate. Let them take the AG to court....I would welcome that

These guys have no cojones so I’m still waiting for an AG to do it


10 posted on 03/16/2010 12:12:03 PM PDT by dennisw (It all comes 'round again --Fairport)
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To: Vermont Lt

I am of the opinion that we should continue to fight the usurper tooth and nail every day he is in the White House illegaly. We need to make his life a living he!!. Cut him no slack. At the same time, do as you suggested. Make dam#@d sure that NO ONE gets as far as Ø has done.


11 posted on 03/16/2010 12:12:44 PM PDT by NCC-1701 (ZEROs FAVORITE SONG -- I, ME, MINE -- BY THE BEATLES)
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To: Vermont Lt
Oklahome is one.

Short Title: Elections; legislative referendum; creating the Candidate Identification Act of 2010; requiring proof of citizenship for certain candidates; codification; noncodification; effective date; ballot title; filing.

I don't know when it is up for a vote.

Candidate ID Act of 2010, Oklahoma

12 posted on 03/16/2010 12:23:11 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Vermont Lt; dennisw

As I posted many times, 0b0z0 won’t be running for reelection, precisely because of the fear of being “REQUIRED” to prove his eligibility.

To make certain of ousting 0kaka, an accented, naturalized American should run for POTUS in ‘12. If he/she is thrown out as he/she should be, then he/she WILL HAVE STANDING to sue for proof of ALL other candidates’ eligibility!

This is why I believe that 0b0z0 will never dare to run for reelection.


13 posted on 03/16/2010 12:30:39 PM PDT by melancholy
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To: freespirited; ml/nj; ExTexasRedhead; EDINVA; Convert from ECUSA; pissant; LucyT; BP2; george76; ...
"It doesn't strike me as beyond the realm of possibility" sounds to me like "there might be a 1 in 1000 chance."

Not necessarily. We simply don't know what probability number was in Cuccinelli's mind at the time he made the remark in the video. What we can say is that he changed his tune from that remark to when he now states, "I absolutely believe President Obama was born in the United States." Did some "Godfather" make Cuccinelli an offer he can't refuse?

14 posted on 03/16/2010 12:33:31 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: Candor7; RobinMasters
I'm thinking there's a good chance that his navel is not real.


15 posted on 03/16/2010 12:39:16 PM PDT by Lady Jag (Get rich... Fire the government)
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To: afraidfortherepublic; Vermont Lt; NCC-1701
60+ Lawmakers 7 States Tell Obama; if you want on 2012 ballot, RELEASE THE RECORDS!
16 posted on 03/16/2010 12:39:45 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Vermont Lt
Here are a couple of links to information about state efforts to require proof of constitutional eligibility: http://www.scribd.com/doc/27721631/Table-of-Bills-Pending-in-State-Legislatures-Regarding-Eligibility-for-the-Presidency
http://www.maricopagop.org/2010/03/03/60-lawmakers-7-states-tell-obama-if-you-want-on-2012-ballot-release-the-records

I agree with you that this is probably the best tactic to take on the eligibility issue. Let's not kid ourselves though. The Obama people and their sycophants will no doubt try to tie up these efforts in court, just like they do with requirements to produce a picture ID to vote. Efforts to combat fraud will be resisted at all costs.

17 posted on 03/16/2010 12:43:33 PM PDT by Menehune56 ("Let them hate so long as they fear" (Oderint Dum Metuant), Lucius Accius, (170 BC - 86 BC))
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To: RobinMasters; ExTexasRedhead; justiceseeker93; traderrob6; OL Hickory; socialismisinsidious; ...
"I absolutely believe that President Obama was born in the United States. I don't buy into the claims that he wasn't."

We have a problem.
This is exactly the answer I receive from every elected Republican official I have asked. Apparently, Affirmative Action Anus Steele isn't totally useless. At least he got the misdirection memo out to all the elected Republicans.

Notice the neat slip-by of the "Natural Born Citizen" issue? "Born in Hawaii" doesn't make Obama a "Natural Born Citizen," Cooch. Even Obama knew that much. All he ever claimed on his website is that he was a "Native Born Citizen," which is apparently good enough for bactrackin' Cuccinelli."

Man up, Cooch, this could be your big national moment, ya frickin' weasel.

18 posted on 03/16/2010 12:45:12 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (Obama? Definitely eligible to be Prime Minister of the UK.)
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To: RobinMasters

Facts the AG could use:

1) Lolo Soetoro, a Colonel in the Indonesia Army under General Sukarno, adopted Barack Hussein Obama II.

2) Barry Soetoro, with his new dad and mom, moved to Indonesia to be a part of a Indonesian family living, working and receiving an education with the all rights and privileges military officer and his family expected under the dictatorship of General Sukarno.

3) Since Barry was living in Indonesia and planned to live there permanently, he applied to the US Embassy for a Certificate of Loss of Nationality (CLN). Contrary to popular belief, if any American moves out of the country and sets up a household with a military officer of a foreign dictatorship, the US SoS doesn’t make it difficult to renounce your US Citizenship. Proof of Barry’s Indonesian citizenship is in his 2nd grade school record.

4) Barry was identified as an orphaned or abandoned refugee and provided expedited travel papers and transportation back to his American grandparents in 1971-72. Barry’s refugee status explains his Connecticut SSN. An American Refugee Organization (ARO) from Connecticut working with the US DoS arranged for Barry to receive his SSN card through their mailing address as an legal alien.

Yes, Barry is a legal alien and Indonesian National.

5) Someone financed a trip for Barack Obama, SR. to come back to Hawai’i and appear in Hawai’i District Court to complain Barry was adopted without his consent. After the Court voided the Soetoro adoption, the Court ordered a new vital record to be created and “filed” by the Hawai’i DoH stating the facts we know as the online FTS COLB. The Court did not see fit to name a doctor, hospital or administrator. All other information was Court Ordered, i.e. father’s race as African was from a culturally sensitive Judge and not a CDC recommended classification of race.

6) Barry Soetoro became persona non grata. Legally speaking, BHO II is technically correct when he says he has never been Barry Soetoro. But his nationality, regardless of the name change, is Indonesian.

7) His CLN is on file with the DoS, DHS, IRS and FBI.


19 posted on 03/16/2010 1:16:43 PM PDT by SvenMagnussen (Quo Warranto better than Apocolypto)
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To: RobinMasters

Birthers are so desperate for validation that they insist that people who don’t agree with them are actually on their side.


20 posted on 03/16/2010 1:47:41 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: justiceseeker93

I absolutely believe a lot of things that could theoretically be wrong. Belief is always based on the best evidence available, and it would be foolish to think that you have all the evidence that could ever exist.

So you can’t say that he changed his tune. “I absolutely believe” does not contradict “it doesn’t strike me as beyond the realm of possibility”.

I absolutely believe we are the only life in this universe, but it doesn’t strike me as beyond the realm of possibility that there could be life on other planets — I simply don’t believe there is.

Ken is a great legal mind, and loves to answer legal questions legally.


21 posted on 03/16/2010 1:52:05 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: dennisw

Orly Taitz is running for Atty Gen in California...and if she wins the first thing she is going to do is demand Obama show his eligibility.


22 posted on 03/16/2010 1:54:04 PM PDT by kiltie65
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To: justiceseeker93; hennie pennie

Thanks justiceseeker93.


23 posted on 03/16/2010 2:54:40 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (http://themagicnegro.com/)
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To: Vermont Lt
I still think that the “birthers” are going at this all wrong. Instead of trying to find ways to have the sitting President prove that his is eligible, we should be focused on making sure that no one is ever able to get that far in the next round of elections.

Both remains an option, and if you don't manage to get the Usurper thrown out on his ash, you keep him from running again. But in the mean time, he'll have done a lot of damage to the country. A whole pot full of it.

24 posted on 03/16/2010 3:57:47 PM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: OafOfOffice

> “He says basically, someone will break a law that obama signed off on, they will be caught and go to court and say Obama is not president and the law is void. Then Obama will have to prove he was president so the criminal can be prosecuted under his law.” <

I have posted this scenario before. Since Obama is putative “President and Commander-In-Chief” of the United States Armed Forces his signature is on the first/cover page of the Uniform Code of Military Justice.

I dare say that any Soldier, Sailor, Airman, Coast Guardsman, or Marine could question the authority by which they might be tried in a Trial by Court-martial.

Former JAGs: “What say you?”


25 posted on 03/16/2010 5:00:49 PM PDT by Joe Marine 76 (Semper Fi!)
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To: Lady Jag
Well I don't know about his navel , but I do know for damm sure his a$$haole is sewn shut. All the shite comes out of his mouth!


26 posted on 03/16/2010 5:23:28 PM PDT by Candor7 (Now's the time to ante up against the Obama Fascist Junta ( member NRA))
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To: Joe Marine 76

The two who refused orders based on Obama’s elibility, they needed to be court martialed first?


27 posted on 03/16/2010 5:34:48 PM PDT by OafOfOffice (W.C:Socialism:Philosophy of failure,creed of ignorance,gospel of envy,the equal sharing of misery)
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To: OafOfOffice

> “The two who refused orders based on Obama’s elibility, they needed to be court martialed first?” <

I recall that Major Cook didn’t get his “day in court” because the Obama Administration was slick. They just cancelled his orders and then screwed him by taking away his employment with a private contractor. The second case I don’t recall... Barnett?

Here’s a scenario for you, real basic.

Marine Pvt Joe Bagodonuts goes UA (Unauthorized Absence (AWOL for Army)) around January 20, 2009. After thirty days, he’s “Declared Deserter.” He’s stopped by Fitzy the Cop in Boston for public drinking and by a NCIC Check he’s found to be a Deserter from the Armed Forces of the United States.

Pvt Bagodonuts is sent back to Camp Lejeune for Trial by Court-Martial and pleads “Not Guilty” to the Charges and Specifications of Art 86 and 87 because he “Missed Movement” as his Battalion was deploying. He pleads “Not Guilty” because he believes the Prez is not qualified or is ineligible to be Commander In Chief.

How would the Convening Authority, in this case a Commanding General, dispose of the Charges and Specifications? Does the Pvt’s Defense Attorney, on his client’s behalf, have the the cajones to request proof that the Prez is eligible?

Any case pending or in process RIGHT NOW: if a serviceman is JAGed-up he could do the same thing.

Quo Warranto?... “What Authority?” does Barack Hussein Obama through the Commanding General have to try by Court-martial any serviceman for Charges and Specifications of Violations of the UCMJ?

Former JAGs: “What say you?” I’m just brain-storming here.


28 posted on 03/16/2010 6:31:02 PM PDT by Joe Marine 76 (Semper Fi!)
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To: Joe Marine 76
I think you got the names right. The first they released from orders, took his DOD job. The second one was pretty much destroyed and ridiculed as someone who simply did not want to fulfill their contract.

How would the Convening Authority, in this case a Commanding General, dispose of the Charges and Specifications? Does the Pvt’s Defense Attorney, on his client’s behalf, have the the cajones to request proof that the Prez is eligible?

If the commander in chief said let it go? Like everything else, Obama takes it as far as he can then when caught he releases them.

29 posted on 03/16/2010 6:50:05 PM PDT by OafOfOffice (W.C:Socialism:Philosophy of failure,creed of ignorance,gospel of envy,the equal sharing of misery)
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To: OafOfOffice

> “If the commander in chief said let it go? Like everything else, Obama takes it as far as he can then when caught he releases them.” <

Yeah, like a “Roseanne Roseannadana”... “Oh never mind.”


30 posted on 03/16/2010 6:55:21 PM PDT by Joe Marine 76 (Semper Fi!)
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To: Joe Marine 76

Under the laws of Hawaii, the Attorney General of Virginia (or any other state, or a US Attorney, or any jurisdiction’s district attorney) can seek a subpoena for Obama’s birth record.

Hawaii Revised Statute 338-18 (b) point 9 states that a birth record can be released to: “a person whose right to inspect or obtain a certified copy of the record is established by an order of a court of competent jurisdiction;”

The Attorney General of a state would be such a person.
http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrs2006/Vol06_Ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0018.HTM


31 posted on 03/16/2010 7:23:49 PM PDT by jamese777
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To: Vermont Lt

BINGO. We need to establish this forever forward by the states. And you are right that all we need is one state, to start.


32 posted on 03/16/2010 7:25:59 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: afraidfortherepublic

I forget which state, but I believe that at least one state has this on the agenda right now. If not, they should.

Forget my state. It’s as blue as MA.


Arizona is the state that is considering it but this approach is unlikely to work. The state of Hawaii has already established in law that the short form COLB like the one Obama posted IS the official birth certificate of Hawaii.
Since the federal government accepts the short form COLB of Hawaii (and of many other states) as good enough for the issuance of a US passport, that is all that a Presidential candidate will ever be required to show. The short form has the required constitutional information: place of birth and date of birth. The other constitutional requirement, 14 years residence in the US is not on a birth document.
You can read what the state of Hawaii has to say about their official birth certificate here:
http://www.starbulletin.com/columnists/kokualine/20090606_kokua_line.html

The easiest way to gain access to Obama’s original birth records is via a judge issuing a subpoena for them. I’m surpised that this didn’t happen two years ago.


33 posted on 03/16/2010 7:30:27 PM PDT by jamese777
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To: Vermont Lt

I have thought and said the same, and think you are spot on.

I have heard rumblings out there on this, but don’t have a link. But it has come up at the state legislator level.


34 posted on 03/16/2010 7:40:45 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (No Representation without Taxation!)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
Ritze of OK has it all wrong. His bill does not require candidates for POTUS to present proof that both of the candidate's parents were US Citizens at the time of the candidate's birth.
35 posted on 03/16/2010 11:53:36 PM PDT by TXnMA (D'Aleo re Hansen's "GISS" temperature database: "Non Gradus Anus Rodentum!")
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To: SvenMagnussen

5) Someone financed a trip for Barack Obama, SR. to come back to Hawai’i and appear in Hawai’i District Court to complain Barry was adopted without his consent. After the Court voided the Soetoro adoption, the Court ordered a new vital record to be created and “filed” by the Hawai’i DoH stating the facts we know as the online FTS COLB. The Court did not see fit to name a doctor, hospital or administrator. All other information was Court Ordered, i.e. father’s race as African was from a culturally sensitive Judge and not a CDC recommended classification of race.

Source for this - in my research the only verification I’ve found of Obama’s adoption are quotes from his sister and his mothers divorce papers from Soetoro stating two children, one over 18 requiring financial assistance.

Since we know Stanley had two children, the reference on the divorce papers must be to Obama.


36 posted on 03/17/2010 6:04:20 AM PDT by Brytani (Support Allen West For Congress - www.allenwestforcongress.com)
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To: RobinMasters

The assumption of Barack Obama to the Presidency of the United States has precipitated a Constitutional Crisis. Most members of Congress, all members of the Supreme Court, and most of the Administration/Law Enforcement/Lawyers etc. know that Barack does not meet the Constitutional requirements for the Office he holds.

The nature of this crisis requires that the Courts move in a careful and deliberate manner keeping in mind the historic and precedent setting nature of removing a sitting President because of his failure to meet the Constitutional requirements to hold that office. All t’s will be crossed and i’s dotted in this case for obvious reasons.

In the dismissal of Alan Key’s eligibility case in Judge Carters California Federal District Court included the suggestion that the proper form and court to bring suit against Obama’s fraud was a Quo Warranto suit filed in the District of Columbia’s Appeals Court. I believe that this course of action was suggested to Judge Carter by Chief Justice Roberts.

It must be remembered that the USSC is not a Trier of Fact, but rather a Judicial Review Court. Their function is to hear cases on appeal from lower courts and to apply constitutional precepts to the case. (Note: that they do not re-argue the facts of the case) No matter how this suit is decided in the DC Appeals court it will wind up in the USSC where the precedent setting ramifications will be carefully weighed.

There is no silver bullet in this matter…..unfortunately; Obama will do an inordinate amount of damage to the fabric of our Republic in the mean time. I believe that it will eventually be adjudicated, and Obama’s Election/Presidency will be found to be unconstitutional.

I sincerely hope that all people involved be prosecuted for the voter fraud they perpetuated upon the US by certifying Obama as eligible for the Office of the President. (Nancy will look much better in Federal Orange than she does holding the Speaker of the House’s gavel, not to mention the piece of mind that that sight would engender.)


37 posted on 03/23/2010 12:53:50 PM PDT by Forty-Niner ((.))
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