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To Repeat: Doctors Could Hang It Up
Investors.com ^ | March 17, 2010 | INVESTORS BUSINESS DAILY Staff

Posted on 03/17/2010 4:48:51 PM PDT by Kaslin

Health Overhaul: We were harshly criticized last September for an IBD/TIPP Poll that showed 45% of doctors would consider leaving medicine if a health care takeover passed. A new poll has vindicated our findings.

Our questionnaire went out Aug. 28 to some 25,600 doctors nationwide. Of that substantial sample, we got 1,476 responses. One hundred of those were retired, leaving 1,376.

At the time, virtually no one had stopped to ask doctors how they felt about the medical takeover being discussed in Congress. We thought it was vital to ask them, since any overhaul would rise or fall on its implementation by doctors themselves.

To say we were stunned with the results is an understatement.

Of the physicians queried, 45% said they'd consider closing their practice or retiring early if the overhaul then being considered were enacted. Also, 65% said they opposed the government's attempts at taking over the health care system. Just 33% supported it.

Given that the White House and Congress both promised then — as they do now — to provide health care coverage for 31 million new patients while at the same time cutting costs from the $2.4 trillion a year we spend on medical care, we thought it was important to reveal that doctors wouldn't go along with it.

What we found was that of the 800,000 physicians practicing in the U.S. in 2006, as many as 360,000 might leave the profession. So with the proposed overhaul, we'd be trying to cover 31 million more patients with up to 45% fewer doctors.

Impossible. It can't be done.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: bhohealthcare; medicine; physicians; socializedmedicine

1 posted on 03/17/2010 4:48:52 PM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

I honestly think this story is bogus. I think most Doctors wouldn’t quit medicine. They might quit the Obama-Care program though, and insist on being paid in cash at whatever rate is agreed upon by doctor and patient.

That would mean doctors leaving Medicare and Medicaid, and you might have to pay them with cash or credit cards.


2 posted on 03/17/2010 4:52:08 PM PDT by AlanD
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To: Kaslin

This is from a 2007 contact list of congressional aides. Some might not be there any longer, but worth a try.

Contact congressional aides.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1857768/posts

U.S. Senate switchboard: (202) 224-3121
U.S. House switchboard: (202) 225-3121
White House comments: (202) 456-1111
Find your House Rep.: http://www.house.gov/writerep
Find your US Senators: http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm
Toll free to the US Senate:
1-800-882-2005. (Spanish number)
1-800-417-7666. (English number)
Courtesy of a pro-amnesty group, no less!!

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Here is one of the ones Rush gave out on the radio that I’m calling. So far it’s been busy but I’m going to burn it up till I get to tell my congress critter to vote NO!
Join me?..... 1-877-762-8762

KEEP THE CALLS UP! DC OFFICE LOCAL OFFICE

CODE RED Contact list http://www.nrcc.org/CodeRed/targets/

Remember they are all being offered BRIBES for their votes. Ask them how much their bribe price is.
The National Republican Congressional Committee has published a target list on health care. In addition to continuing to contact the five Tennessee Democrat Congressmen, you can go http://www.votervoice.net/link/clickthrough/ext/94697.aspx to contact some of these targets. Much of the talk following Obama’s announcement has focused on how to defeat this second bill through reconciliation, but that is misleading because the first step to defeating Obamacare is not by concentrating on defeating the “fixer” bill but by defeating the Senate bill in the House when it goes to the floor for an up-or-down vote on Thursday, March 18th.
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2467046/posts

Congressional Dems on Twitter
http://www.arrghpaine.com/congressional-dems-on-twitter
And here are toll-free numbers we can use to call any Senators or Reps.

At the first number below you must wait through a tape recording urging you to tell your Rep or Senator to vote “yes” for the health care bill. Just hang on and when the recording is over, you will get the Capitol operator. Just ask for your Rep or Senator’s office. Then you will either talk to an aid or have the chance to leave a message for him/her to vote NO on the health care bill.

When you use the second number and the Capitol operator comes on, just ask for your Rep or Senator’s office. Every time I use this number I get the Rep or Senator’s answer machine, so it may be set up that way all the time...to go to their answer machine. Either way you can leave a message to vote NO on the health care bill!

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1-866-220-0044, 1-866-338-1015, 877-851-6437, 877-210-5351


3 posted on 03/17/2010 4:55:01 PM PDT by GailA (obamacare paid for by cuts & taxes on most vulnerable Veterans, disabled,seniors & retired Military)
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To: AlanD

Providers that do now accept assignment with Medicare can bill you up to 15% above what Medicare allows. That still doesn’t make up for the 21% decrease that Medicare allows for providers that went into effect last March 1st.


4 posted on 03/17/2010 4:55:22 PM PDT by Evil Slayer (Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war)
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To: Evil Slayer

now = not


5 posted on 03/17/2010 4:56:50 PM PDT by Evil Slayer (Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war)
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To: AlanD
I don't think it is going to be that easy, Alan.

About 15 years ago, in Massachusetts, the state made physician participation in Medicaid mandatory. In other words, if the doctors did not agree to accept "assignment" (take a certain percentage of Medicaid patients), they could not be licensed. No license, no practice.

Lots of doctors left Mass. under these conditions.

I don't know if this law is still in effect or not but the precedent does exist to do this.

6 posted on 03/17/2010 4:57:05 PM PDT by johniegrad
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To: AlanD
I honestly think this story is bogus. I think most Doctors wouldn’t quit medicine. They might quit the Obama-Care program though, and insist on being paid in cash at whatever rate is agreed upon by doctor and patient.

That would mean doctors leaving Medicare and Medicaid, and you might have to pay them with cash or credit cards.

I think it's wishful thinking to believe that doctors are going to be allowed to simply go to a cash-only model. The out-of-control congress will simply draw up laws making it a criminal offense to offer services outside the system.

If I'm not mistaken, Hillary-care back in 1994 made it illegal for doctors to treat anyone outside the government system. It also made it illegal for doctors to choose what specialties they wanted, or where they could practice medicine, if I recall correctly.

7 posted on 03/17/2010 5:05:55 PM PDT by Steely Tom (Obama goes on long after the thrill of Obama is gone)
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To: AlanD
I honestly think this story is bogus. I think most Doctors wouldn’t quit medicine. They might quit the Obama-Care program though, and insist on being paid in cash at whatever rate is agreed upon by doctor and patient.

I haven't read the rest of the comments so maybe this was covered. I think that you are right and that some of these doctors will just move out of the U.S. down to Central America (particularly Costa Rica) and set up shop for those Americans able and willing to pay for services.

8 posted on 03/17/2010 5:08:13 PM PDT by OldPossum
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To: OldPossum

Oops, didn’t notice that there were but a few comments.


9 posted on 03/17/2010 5:11:52 PM PDT by OldPossum
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To: AlanD

The Oldest Doctors can probably afford to quit.

Medical School applications will fall through the floor, so the supply of fresh blood into the profession will dry up.

Young doctors will consider their alternatives, and some will quit for more lucrative opportunities.

Net: Slow strangulation of supply.

Reduced supply results in increased costs (remember Econ 101?)

Increased Demand (30,000,000 newly insured) also increases costs (Econ 101 again).

So where do you think costs are going to go?

Through the roof of course!


10 posted on 03/17/2010 5:12:00 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Call the local offices of Congresscritters. They are still answering the phone.)
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To: AlanD

Au contraire!
I personally plan to open that quilt shop I have always wanted if Obamacare passes. You would be surprised the number of early retirements and career changes that Obamacare would spark!


11 posted on 03/17/2010 5:13:27 PM PDT by Mom MD (Jesus is the Light of the world!)
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To: Steely Tom
If I'm not mistaken, Hillary-care back in 1994 made it illegal for doctors to treat anyone outside the government system. It also made it illegal for doctors to choose what specialties they wanted, or where they could practice medicine, if I recall correctly.

I believe that Hilary!-Care included criminal penalties for doctors who went outside the system.

12 posted on 03/17/2010 5:15:32 PM PDT by Logophile
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To: AlanD

“...you might have to pay them with cash or credit cards...”

The pending “healthcare overhaul” might make it illegal to do so.

(???)

IMHO


13 posted on 03/17/2010 5:26:04 PM PDT by ripley
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To: Uncle Miltie

Donning my tinfoil hat here. I’m envisioning the federal government bringing in a lot of “doctors” from Third World countries to practice here. Of course, these “doctors” would not be allowed to go into private practice - they would become government employees, paid for by our taxes.


14 posted on 03/17/2010 5:28:06 PM PDT by Inspectorette
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To: Kaslin

I can guarantee that 50% of docs will stop seeing Medicare patients with the $500 billion cut that Obama and the democrasts want.

As a matter of fact, try getting any top doctor to see a Medicare patient NOW.


15 posted on 03/17/2010 5:29:01 PM PDT by FormerACLUmember (The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule. - H. L. Menken.)
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To: Evil Slayer
Providers that do now accept assignment with Medicare can bill you up to 15% above what Medicare allows. That still doesn’t make up for the 21% decrease that Medicare allows for providers that went into effect last March 1st.

Doctors who accept assignment must accept what Medicare allows. Medicare pays the doctor 80% of the allowed amount and the doctor must collect the 20% balance from the patient. Doctors who do NOT accept assignment are allowed to charge 115% of the allowed Medicare amount, but gets nothing directly from Medicare, and has to collect the entire amount from the patient. The patient is reimbursed from Medicare the 80% of the allowed amount, and may or may not pay it (along with the 35% balance owed) to the physician. That is why most physicians accept assignment. They are guaranteed at least 80% of the allowed charge. Usually the allowed charge is about 75% of the regular charge and the physician gets paid significantly less than from insurance companies. For example, an insurance company may pay $90 on a $100 charge. Medicare allows $75 and pays the doctor accepting assignment $60 and the doctor may or may not be successful in collecting the other $15 from the patient. This is why almost 40% of doctors no longer accept new Medicare patients.

see here

As for myself, I planned to retire in 4 years, but if Obamacare passes, I will retire immediately. There are many doctors out there much younger than myself who can go into a variety of non-clinical medical professions or even non-medical fields. I read recently of a physician who made significantly more selling clothing on ebay than she made seeing patients. There are many entrepenurial opportunites for bright motivated people, and I would not be surprised to see a mass exodus of physicians if Obamacare passes.

As for the March 1 21% decrease, we have been granted a stay of execution until October 1, when it will take place, unless congress passes something to the contrary.

John Galt is alive and well.

16 posted on 03/17/2010 5:31:56 PM PDT by SC DOC
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To: Kaslin
Honestly, as a doctor I can imagine 20-30% of doctors quiting.
Remember Obamacare doesn't even start for 4 more years, only the taxes start now.
Doctors just like the population in general have a big bump of baby boomers who are now ready to retire.
If you know that you have 4 more years until retirement you can put away a lot of cash while skrimping (not spending).
It's going to be a long wait to see a doc starting in 2014......and since all of us doctors are in the same boat, I'll just take care of my fellow doctors and have a leisurely practice. ";^)
17 posted on 03/17/2010 5:35:56 PM PDT by Politically Correct (A member of the rabble in good standing)
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To: Uncle Miltie
I just saw my primary doctor yesterday. He said he was still going to practice and had signed a 3 year contract. But, he said he has been having trouble getting at least two doctors to help him as backups. They just aren't interested to come on board with him. He also said that he was just barely making a profit and he could probably do better as a janitor but his life is dedicated to helping his patients. He does NOT accept assignment with Medicare. He charges 15% (which is allowed) above what Medicare pays. I asked him what he thought was going to be the a problem with obamacare if passed and he told me that prescription drugs would be harder to get. He's been my primary doc for 12 years and I like him. I could get into a lengthily discussion of how he has, basically, saved my life on several occasions. I want to keep him as long as I can.
18 posted on 03/17/2010 5:45:35 PM PDT by Evil Slayer (Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war)
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To: Inspectorette

yup that’s right ! global medicine/s


19 posted on 03/17/2010 5:46:02 PM PDT by MissDairyGoodnessVT (Free Nobel Peace Prize with oil change =^..^=)
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To: Politically Correct

Imagine how the standards of doctors will drop as the best and brightest choose other more lucrative professions.


20 posted on 03/17/2010 5:47:03 PM PDT by ground_fog
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To: AlanD

“I honestly think this story is bogus. I think most Doctors wouldn’t quit medicine.”

You obviously have not had a conversation with any practicing MD or you would not be making this very naive observation.

My son is a general surgeon in NE Alabama whose hobby has been woodworking. He is going to shut down his surgical practice and open a cabinet shop.

The docs who are going to stay in practice are the Muslims and other medical imports.


21 posted on 03/17/2010 6:02:41 PM PDT by LaMudBug
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To: SC DOC
See my post 18. Thanks for the info on the 21% effective date and the assignment info. I am also on Tricare For Life as my secondary. You mentioned Oct 1st as the stay of execution for the 21% reduction in Medicare payments. That is also the fiscal year start point for TFC which I heard is going to take a HUGE hit in cuts. Tricare starts their deductible all over again on Oct 1 while Medicare starts on Jan 1. Will be interesting if the TFC cuts take effect since I heard they were, originally, suppose to have taken effect earlier but got a stay as well.
22 posted on 03/17/2010 6:10:15 PM PDT by Evil Slayer (Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war)
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To: AlanD
They might quit the Obama-Care program though, and insist on being paid in cash at whatever rate is agreed upon by doctor and patient.

This option will soon be outlawed, if ObamaCare becomes law. These people are evil but they're not stupid. Remember, doctors are licensed and it is considered a state-regulated privilege to practise medicine. It is not a right.

Surprised? Guess what--if you want your license renewed you will sign right here that you will only treat people in compliance with the "Freedom of Medical Choice Act of 1933." Oops, that' s 2010.

23 posted on 03/17/2010 6:11:25 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Evil Slayer

TFC = TFL


24 posted on 03/17/2010 6:11:52 PM PDT by Evil Slayer (Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war)
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To: Uncle Miltie
This will be a rigidly controlled government program. Laws of supply and demand will not apply. If there is a reduced supply of medical care, then the masses will just have to queue up and wait their turn. Like Britain or Canada. And, if you die while waiting, well, that's life.
25 posted on 03/17/2010 6:24:14 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: ground_fog
This is the secret reason why the 'rats don't care about "tort reform." Once all doctors are working for the gubbermint, lawsuits will no longer be a problem.
26 posted on 03/17/2010 6:29:32 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: AlanD

Like I’ve said, what if there were restrictions on what a lawyer could charge per visit? Or how much they can be paid from a lawsuit? You’d never hear the end of the screaming.


27 posted on 03/17/2010 6:29:35 PM PDT by boop (Democracy is the theory that the people get the government they deserve, good and hard.)
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To: AlanD
re: I honestly think this story is bogus. I think most Doctors wouldn’t quit medicine. )))

They certainly will. There are quite a few boomer docs who can retire rather than remain.

It used to be that docs seldom retired at all. They used to practice well into old age, gradually reducing the size of their practice and giving younger docs the benefit of a lifetime of experience, aging with their patients.

Now, even good docs who love their work aim at earlier retirements because of the fear of lawsuits. Add Obamacare into the mix, and you will certainly see many docs moving to distance themselves from the problems.

Obamacare couldn't work with enthusiastic support of physicians. It will be a nightmare without it.

At the very least, it is the wise doctor who makes provision to take an extended sabbatical when this starts being implemented.

28 posted on 03/17/2010 6:33:21 PM PDT by Mamzelle (On FR, watch out for the Club of late-2004)
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To: Kaslin
In HopeyChangica, we'll just round up the doctors and force them to practice under penalty of prison if they don't comply.

Problem solved.

-PJ

29 posted on 03/17/2010 6:34:32 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too ("Comprehensive" reform bills only end up as incomprehensible messes.)
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To: SC DOC
As for myself, I planned to retire in 4 years, but if Obamacare passes, I will retire immediately.

I've "diversified" my practice to include sports medicine and training. Cash only and you would be surprised at the opportunities available for an American trained physician. I love what I do, but if I'm going to get taxed to death, plus get paid less, well then I'm opting to do other things.

Most physicians are rather bright and could have made money doing other things. I feel sorry for the guys just getting out of residency that have debt and now know that they might be in debt for a lot longer.

I'd can already see the handwriting on the wall. Private practices will take NO insurance and only accept payments with paperwork provided so that you can fill it out and send it in for the government to reimburse you. The ER's will be flooded and that's when the whole system will vapor lock.

As it is now, the malingerers, the druggies, the 20 year olds on disability, the illegals, the ghetto mamas with 3 kids by 3 different baby daddies... all of the already use the "free" ER and b#tch about it.

I'm thinking that they will be in for a rude awakening when the ER is taken away from them and they are made to wait for CT scans, labs and other things.

30 posted on 03/17/2010 6:54:45 PM PDT by erman (Our President-A modest man, who has much to be modest about.)
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To: Kaslin

Maybe these retiring physicians will go underground to see that people in direst need of medical care will get it.

I’d be overjoyed to pay a doctor cash for care done under the radar if it helps me stay alive when The Dark Emperor’s “Josef Mengele Medical Corps” is trying to kill me.


31 posted on 03/17/2010 7:08:36 PM PDT by Dr.Zoidberg (Warning: Sarcasm/humor is always engaged. Failure to recognize this may lead to misunderstandings.)
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To: Dr.Zoidberg

Does anyone have any idea who runs this “group” who say they represent “450,000 doctors and medical students” who support nobama care? Are they some front group or something and “full of it”? Their site is http://www.healhealthcarenow.org


32 posted on 03/17/2010 7:30:13 PM PDT by hal ogen
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To: Inspectorette

That is actually a very good assessment...It would not surprise me one bit that this will be implemented...


33 posted on 03/17/2010 7:36:38 PM PDT by stevie_d_64 (I'm jus sayin')
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To: LaMudBug

My cousin, who is in his pre-med studies told me last year that half of what is left of his class are changing their majors at the end of their 4th year...This appears to be a general trend across the nation in other schools of medicine...

Only the dedicated are sticking to it...They’d be a doctor for free, as he says...


34 posted on 03/17/2010 7:39:31 PM PDT by stevie_d_64 (I'm jus sayin')
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To: hal ogen

They used to be a valid group of doctors. Not so anymore.

They’ve teamed-up with the Herndon Allliance which is associated with LaRaza.


35 posted on 03/17/2010 7:43:16 PM PDT by onyx (BE A MONTHLY DONOR - I AM)
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To: stevie_d_64

It wouldn’t surprise me either, but it scares the he** out of me.


36 posted on 03/17/2010 7:47:20 PM PDT by Inspectorette
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To: Kaslin

I wish people would stop with the bogus “covering 31 million more patients” stuff. Those 31 million have health care, the just don’t have health insurance: they go to public hospitals with a duty to treat, or to charity clinics, or pay out-of-pocket.

None of us here on FR should let our minds be befogged by the left’s Newspeak use of the phrase “health care” to mean any of “health care”, “health insurance”, “government run health care”, “government run health insurance”, or even “health care reform”, at The Party’s whim.

Losing 45% of physician, or even 20% of physicians, will destroy our health care system, but not because we’ll also be treating 31 million more people, we’ll just be paying confiscatory insurance rates and drastically higher taxes to provide insurance for those who get their health care without insurance now.


37 posted on 03/17/2010 8:13:06 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: AlanD

I just visited one of my medical specialist after a four year laspe. The first thing he did was ask what insurance did I have. When I told Tricare for live and Medicare he said fine. Then proceeded to examine me.
I suspect many doctors will shut down because the will not except Medicare patients without other insurance. Because when this bill passes they get a 21% cut in fee payments from what it is right now.
No doctor will be able to open a private clinic, and they will be paid according to Government fee schedules. Yet, they will be open for law suits because of being limited on what they can do for the patient. By the time everything kicks in, after paying taxes for four years on program there will be very few doctors available.


38 posted on 03/18/2010 1:22:14 AM PDT by spookie (SPOOKIE)
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To: AlanD

I just visited one of my medical specialist after a four year laspe. The first thing he did was ask what insurance did I have. When I told Tricare for live and Medicare he said fine. Then proceeded to examine me.
I suspect many doctors will shut down because the will not except Medicare patients without other insurance. Because when this bill passes they get a 21% cut in fee payments from what it is right now.
No doctor will be able to open a private clinic, and they will be paid according to Government fee schedules. Yet, they will be open for law suits because of being limited on what they can do for the patient. By the time everything kicks in, after paying taxes for four years on program there will be very few doctors available.


39 posted on 03/18/2010 1:28:01 AM PDT by spookie (SPOOKIE)
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To: All

The way I look at this it seems that many are just in it

for the money anyway,,,

They really don’t care about the people,,,

Our old family Doc was raisin’ hell about this over 40 years ago,,,

Then he would start on the “damned” insurance companies,,,

By 08:30 he had made hospital rounds and was in the office.

By 17:00 he had seen all that had come into the office,,,

After supper he would make house calls till way after dark.

I guess I have a problem with math here,,,

Seems to me that more hours worked would mean more money,,,

That’s the way I’ve always had to do it...


40 posted on 03/18/2010 3:13:58 AM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: AlanD

You don’t understand it fully. The lowest paying physicians... internists, family physicians and pediatricians to name a few (most non specialists) will not make a profit after reimbursement. At a physician forum with our representative there were two internists there who said that they would be working at a net loss and they had numbers from their practice to back it up. When you only are being reimbursed/paid $60.00 for medicare and $45.00 for medicaid it becomes difficult. When was the last time you saw a professional and paid that amount of money let alone a physician? You can get a manicure and pedicure for $50.00....but we are talking Doctors here and your health not your nails!


41 posted on 03/18/2010 3:33:41 AM PDT by awin
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To: 1COUNTER-MORTER-68
See my post #41 ...you have no idea what you are talking about. While its true of some you cannot generalize and obviously its YOUR mentality that BHO is counting on to herd the sheeple!
42 posted on 03/18/2010 3:37:16 AM PDT by awin
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To: awin
I really don't give a rat's ass what you think Peck’A`Head!

My “mentality” is very clear on this,,,

O’Bammy and his bosses are doing their very best to make

the USA a commie/moozzi country,,,

Look past O’Bammy and Soros and you will see the Saudi’s

ass deep to a draft horse in all this mess,,,

If you can't make a bunch of money to suit you by all means

quit and go to work at the local undertaker's parlor...

43 posted on 03/18/2010 4:24:08 AM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: 1COUNTER-MORTER-68

In your previous post you admit to”having a problem in math here” which only reinforces my argument. While I agree with your thoughts about “O’Bammy” the rest if your diatribe is more than a tad offensive and non productive.


44 posted on 03/18/2010 6:04:30 AM PDT by awin
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To: awin

Are you saying that it will be illegal for doctors to opt out of Obama-Care? I can contract with a doctor and pay him whatever I think is fair, much more than Obama-Care will pay out.


45 posted on 03/18/2010 6:10:09 AM PDT by AlanD
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To: AlanD

A similar example was in the news today. Walgreen is refusing to sell prescription drugs to those on Medicare in Washington State, because they cannot afford to charge that little.

They are opting out of the program, not getting out of the retail prescription drug business.


46 posted on 03/18/2010 6:11:56 AM PDT by AlanD
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Honestly, as a doctor I can imagine 20-30% of doctors quiting

I personally know two anesthesiologists (one in my church, and am related to another) who are in early 50's. They have both told me they will retire early if 0bamacare passes....

47 posted on 03/18/2010 6:22:32 AM PDT by HalfFull ("Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery?" -PHenry)
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