Posted on 03/18/2010 11:25:38 AM PDT by SE Mom
Have at it!
Looking at this page, called "H.R. 4872, THE HEALTH CARE & EDUCATION AFFORDABILITY RECONCILIATION ACT of 2010 SECTION-BY-SECTION ANALYSIS", I chose to read through the part labeled "Subtitle B - Medicare" under which there is a listing of Sections 1101, 1102, 1103, 1104, 1105, 1106 and 1107 in which there are supposedly changes made by Nancy Pelosi and the House Dems.
Only problem is when I go to the actual document posted (page #1272 of 2310 pages) and look for the "Medicare and Medicaid Improvements" changes for those seven sections, there is only reference to Sections 1101, 1102 and 1103. Changes referenced in Sections 1104, 1105, 1106 and 1107 are nowhere to be found?!
Now, if I am understanding this shell game that Pelosi and the Dems are intending on playing with the Senate Bill, they are taking out all the Senate wording and replacing it with their new and improved wording; and not simply cutting and pasting here and there.
If that is the case, then the House Bill we and our representatives are reading and "judging" right now is not even complete. God, what a effin mess this thing is. It needs to go down in flames.
The really new bill or the kinda new bill?
She mentioned to Shep that 26 year olds will be covered under the new bill. Then says to Shep, just when you thought you’d get your 26 year old out of the house. Did Shep and his boyfriend have a child?
Nice line items. Whatinhell do student loans and biofuels have to do with health care?
Re: the “cellulose biofuels” insert (nice catch!). Whose vote is targeted with that perk? Here’s a list of the facilities. Freepers with congress critters that Nancy might be buying should check it out and see if anything rings a bell. http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&ie=UTF8&msa=0&msid=114833920384672107621.0004573f4767c96126a4d&ll=37.020098,-95.712891&spn=19.944227,53.938504&source=embed&s=AARTsJpaiv9C0v8lRN_b6Rbxbt8tzDxGzw
“Whatinhell do student loans and biofuels have to do with health care?”
I was thinking the same. Throwing this in makes it a whole new bill, I would think. Wouldn’t they have to start the process over?
I know .. that’s been mentioned since the beginning.
What the heck is a 26 yr old doing being categorized
as a child ..?? It’s insane. This is going to encourage
all the slugs, bums and lowlifes they love to care for
lay around or pursue poetry, pot and potpourri get covered
on our dimes and nickels. Disgusting.
It’s like they know there won’t be any jobs for them
anyway, so cover them.
I am sure that all of the 435 members of the House have read and properly digested each page of the proposed legislation.
It’s not going to matter. After this bill is passed, this is the end of the USA as we have known it.
It must be stopped. It cannot pass, and Coburn had better think up something better than this.
Going to copy this here for all to read:(It’s a MUST READ for Texas Freepers...pass it on...Scary stuff)
Statement by The Honorable Arlene Wohlgemuth, TPPF Executive Director March 18, 2010
On this morning’s Congressional Budget Office score on the health care reconciliation package
This morning’s Congressional Budget Office score is nothing more than a smoke screen to distract the public. The core issue remains the ugly details of the U.S. Senate health care bill the House will try to “deem to have passed” this Sunday.
Passage of the Senate bill would increase Texans’ health insurance premiums by 61 percent over the next five years. Passage of the Senate bill would increase Texas’ Medicaid population by 50 percent and Texas’ budget deficit by several billion dollars. Passage of the Senate bill could expose Texas medical providers to more than 20 new types of medical malpractice lawsuits and pre-empt the tort reforms approved by Texas voters. All of this means that Texans’ health care costs would go up, while our access to quality health care would go down.
The CBO admitted that the numbers it released this morning were merely an educated guess, as “the agency has not thoroughly examined the reconciliation proposal to verify its consistency with the previous draft. This estimate is therefore preliminary, pending a review of the language of the reconciliation proposal, as well as further review and refinement of the budgetary projections.”
However, the CBO estimate continues to double-count $463 billion in Medicare cuts that are unlikely to occur in the first place, as well as $53 billion in Social Security payroll taxes that are already committed to paying for future benefits. Once these and other smoke-and-mirrors tricks are removed from the analysis, the Senate’s health care legislation would increase the deficit nearly $600 billion in the first decade and by more than $1.6 trillion in its second decade.
Beyond that, the latest reconciliation draft postpones a more onerous tax on so-called “Cadillac” health plans until the end of the decade. Given that this tax is one of the unions’ most hated provisions and that the changes will hit a broad swath of the middle class, it is almost certainly to be repealed before it can take effect, which further guts the deficit reduction promises after 2018.
Sunday’s House vote would only assure that the Senate bill would go to the White House for President Obama’s signature. Any “reconciliation” provisions sent back to the Senate can be struck on parliamentary grounds, and the Senate leadership has little incentive to pass a reconciliation bill once its health care legislation has already been signed into law. That increases the likelihood that the Cornhusker Kickback, Gator Aid, Louisiana Purchase, and all of the other sweetheart deals in the Senate bill will become federal law.
Perhaps the same philosophy of “more government spending will help the economy” that we saw with the stimulus bill has affected the thinking in Washington with regard to the health care bill. Is spending trillions of tax dollars, enacting costly mandates, and federalizing health care decisions really the way to improve health care in America?
The Honorable Arlene Wohlgemuth is Executive Director and Director of the Center for Health Care Policy at the Texas Public Policy Foundation, a non-profit, free-market research institute based in Austin. She served 10 years in the Texas House of Representatives, specializing in health care issues.
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You are correct — if they make a change to the bill, passage in the House does not make it law.
There is a start.
I have just skimmed over it and I don’t see how anyone, no matter how intelligent, can make heads or tails of this gobblydigook!
We're going to need a bigger computer....
This is the biggest point.
Millions of us in this country have taken a vow to “protect and defend the constitution from enemies foreign and domestic”....HERE is our domestic enemy: democrats.
It is time we start defending. Time to do our duty. In every town, in every office, please officals; do your duty to stop this bill. It is unconstitutional! It destroys our Democratic Republic and swings us into communism. This is why it is so important to Obama. He knows that this is the most important step to give him power.
We have seen it before. Obama rose to power by using his oratory skills (which are awful imo) to denigrate Bush and his supporters. He fed on the unhappiness and defeat the people felt....just has Hitler did in Germany. Hitler took power not by force, at first, but by ideology....He got his party in power. He used the electoral system to effect power; then promoted “National Socialism”. This national socialism, resembles religion. It seems to be kind and nice and helpful..but must demand adherance for the system to “work”. Truly, socialism is totalitarian in character, demanding total control of all politics, economy, social mores and thought, by a small group which claims to understand how to cope with all aspects of human existence.
So, this also was Hitler’s first step to total control.
This “health care bill” is indeed Obama’s equivilant to Germany’s “Enabling Act of March 23, 1933”...which unconstitutionally gave Hitler’s political party dictatorial power.
Many at the time said it wasn’t so! They said it couldn’t happen. It did, and we know what followed.
I am sure that the White House thugs have stopped giving out promises, and started to give out threats.
It is a battle we must win. Close ranks, stay together and do your duty.
The total number of pages is 6,219. Does anyone believe that the President, Vice-President or any single person in the entire U.S. House of Representatives or United States Senate has read all of this, much less absorbed it? How can anyone with a conscience possibly vote on this bill?
153 pages: AMENDMENT IN THE NATURE OF A SUBSTITUTE TO H.R. 4872, AS REPORTED, March 18, 2010
2409 pages: Amendments from the Senate, December 24, 2009.
2310 pages: H. R. 4872 IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, MARCH 17, 2010
902 pages: REPORT OF THE COMMITTEE ON THE BUDGET HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TO ACCOMPANY H.R. 4872, VOLUME I, MARCH 17, 2010
445 pages: REPORT OF THE COMMITTEE ON THE BUDGET HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TO ACCOMPANY H.R. 4872, VOLUME II, MARCH 17, 2010
I don’t think we should be calling this bill as ‘NEW’, this COUP OF OUR REPUBLIC has been written over several decades.
The only factor left was to ‘install’ a Communist president, a power hungry left wing congress and weak opposition.
Section 1401: I thought they would give unions a tax break and stick it to everyone else, but apparently they delayed the tax for everybody, not just unions. But where did they get the money to pay for that change from the senate bill?
“where did they get the money to pay for that change from the senate bill?”
Mythical cuts in “Medicare Waste And Fraud”, of course.
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