[Bigtigermike]

He got at least two years to do as much as he can

[Bigtigermike]

Emotions Run High Ahead of Showdown Health Vote, there is no holding back

[Principled]

We’ll need to play by the same rules only a measure harsher.

I don’t suppose too many yes votes will have a nice time when the come home to their districts. Nor will they sleep well.

[highlander_UW]

An organizer must stir up dissatisfaction and discontent... He must create a mechanism that can drain off the underlying guilt for having accepted the previous situation for so long a time. Out of this mechanism, a new community organization arises....

Two problems for libs here...firstly, the dissatisfaction and discontent they're creating is directed at them. Secondly, they may think they'll be able to install their own new community framework, but that's dreaming of the highest order. There isn't any way I'll cheerfully fall into line into their communist "utiopia", and that is a sentiment that is shared by most Americans. This isn't Europe or the Soviet Union.

[Citizen Soldier]

There is a photo of BHO on NRO that is the spitting image of Mussolini, very uncanny.

[Wildbill22]

I think the premise of some sort of revolution in the article is presumptuous and would be a serious miscalculation on Obama’s part if he is following Alinsky’s rules.

What he miscalculates is exactly what he thinks he is some sort of expert on; The Constitution.

We will be revolting to return to the default of the Constitution at it’s base. Nothing else will be acceptable.

[GOPsterinMA]

http://strangemaps.wordpress.com/2009/05/02/379-russia-to-us-youre-breaking-up-too/

I guess the Russian professor isn’t a loon after all.

[Bronzy]

He stirred up dissatisfaction with health care and demonized insurance companies and “fat cat” bankers. What was good is now bad. He got everyone to agree that reform is necessary.

[sodpoodle]

While a majority of adults are very concerned about this power grab by the socialists in government - what about the age group of 18-25 years-old who may not realize how much this will cost them in money and freedom? They are, after all, the demographic not yet concerned with ill health.

To this point, the young have had the freedom to choose how to spend their own earned income. Witness the fashion, music and electronic doo-dads. Perhaps they will rebel against their Marxist oppressors instead of their parents.

Shame on us if we failed them.

[Marty62]

Nothing worth fighting for is easy or Quick:

Timeline of the Revolutionary War

1754-1763
The French and Indian War
1754

June 19-July 11 The Albany Congress
1763
Oct. 7 Proclamation of 1763
1764
April 5 The Sugar Act
September 1 The Currency Act
1765
March 22 The Stamp Act
March 24 The Quartering Act of 1765
May 29 Patrick Henry’s “If This Be Treason” speech
May 30 The Virginia Stamp Act Resolutions
Oct. 7-25 The Stamp Act Congress
1766
March 18 The Declaratory Act
1767
June 29 The Townshend Revenue Act
1768
August 1 Boston Non-Importation Agreement
1770
March 5 The Boston Massacre
1772
June 9 The Gaspee Affair
1773
May 10 The Tea Act
Dec. 16 The Boston Tea Party
1774
March 31 Boston Port Act, one of the “Intolerable Acts”
May 20 Administration of Justice Act, one of the “Intolerable Acts”
May 20 Massachusetts Government Act, one of the “Intolerable Acts”
June 2 Quartering Act of 1774, one of the “Intolerable Acts”
June 22 Quebec Act, one of the “Intolerable Acts”
Sept. 5-Oct. 26 The First Continental Congress meets in Philadelphia and issues Declaration and Resolves
Oct. 10 Battle of Point Pleasant, Virginia (disputed as to whether it was a battle of the American Revolution or the culmination of Lord Dunmore’s War)
Oct. 20 The Association (prohibition of trade with Great Britain)
Oct. 24 Galloway’s Plan rejected
1775
Apr. 18 The Rides of Paul Revere and William Dawes
Apr. 19 Minutemen and redcoats clash at Lexington and Concord “The shot heard ‘round the world.”
May 10 Ethan Allen and the Green Mountain Boys seize Fort Ticonderoga
May 10 The Second Continental Congress meets in Philadelphia
June 15 George Washington named Commander in Chief
June 17 Battle of Bunker Hill: The British drive the Americans from Breed’s Hill
July 3 Washington assumes command of the Continental Army
Nov. 10-21 Ninety Six, SC, Patriots sieged
Nov. 13 The patriots under Montgomery occupy Montreal in Canada
Dec. 11 Virginia and NC patriots rout Loyalist troops and burn Norfolk
Dec. 22 Col. Thomson with 1,500 rangers and militia capture Loyalists at Great Canebrake, SC
Dec. 23-30 Snow Campaign, in SC, so-called because patriots are impeded by 15” of snow
Dec. 30-31 American forces under Benedict Arnold fail to seize Quebec
1776
Jan. 1 Daniel Morgan taken prisoner in attempt to take Quebec City
Jan. 15 Paine’s “Common Sense” published
Feb. 27 The patriots drive the Loyalists from Moore’s Creek Bridge, North Carolina
March 3 The Continental fleet captures New Providence Island in the Bahamas
March 17 The British evacuate Boston; British Navy moves to Halifax, Canada
June 8 Patriots fail to take Three Rivers, Quebec
June 12 The Virginia Declaration of Rights
June 28 Sullivan’s Island, SC, failed British naval attack
June 29 The First Virginia Constitution
June 28 Patriots decisively defeat the British Navy at Fort Moultrie, South Carolina
July 1 At the instigation of British agents, the Cherokee attack along the entire southern frontier
July 1-4 Congress debates and revises the Declaration of Independence. See Chronology of the Declaration
July 4 Congress adopts the Declaration of Independence; it’s sent to the printer
July 8 The Declaration of Independence is read publicly
July 15 Lyndley’s Fort, SC, Patriots fend off attack by Indians and Tories dressed as Indians
Aug. 1 Ambushed by Cherokees, Patriots are saved by a mounted charge at Seneca, SC
Aug. 2 Delegates begin to sign The Declaration of Independence
Aug. 10 Tugaloo River, SC, Andrew Pickens defeats Cherokees
Aug. 12? Andrew Pickens’ detachment surrounded by 185 Cherokee Indians, forms a ring and fires outward. It is known as the “Ring Fight.”
Aug. 12 Col. Williamson and Andrew Pickens defeat Cherokee Indians and burn Tamassy, an Indian town
Aug. 27 Redcoats defeat the George Washington’s army in the Battle of Long Island. Washington’s army escapes at night.
Sept. 15 The British occupy New York City
Sept. 16 Generals George Washington, Nathanael Greene, and Israel Putnam triumphantly hold their ground at the Battle of Harlem Heights
Sept. 19 Col. Williamson’s patriots attacked by Cherokees at Coweecho River, NC
Oct. 11 Benedict Arnold defeated at the Battle of Valcour Island (Lake Champlain), but delayed British advance
Oct. 28 The Americans retreat from White Plains, New York. British casualties (~300) higher than American (~200).
Nov. 16 The Hessians capture Fort Washington, NY
Nov. 20 Lord Cornwallis captures Fort Lee from Nathanael Greene
Dec. 26 Washington crosses the Delaware and captures Trenton from Hessians
1777
Jan. 3 Washington victorious at Princeton
Jan. 6-May 28 Washington winters in Morristown, NJ
Apr. 27 Benedict Arnold’s troops force a British retreat at Ridgefield, Connecticut.
May 20 Treaty of DeWitt’s Corner, SC: Cherokees lose most of their land east of the mountains
June 14 Flag Resolution
July 5 St. Clair surrenders Fort Ticonderoga to the British
July 27 Lafayette arrives in Philadelphia
Aug. 6 The Redcoats, with Iroquois support, force the patriots back at Oriskany, NY, but then have to evacuate
Aug. 16 American Militia under General Stark victorious at the Battle of Bennington, VT (actually fought in Walloomsac, New York, several miles to the west)
Aug. 23 British withdraw from Fort Stanwix, NY, upon hearing of Benedict Arnold’s approach
Aug. 25 British General Howe lands at Head of Elk, Maryland
Sept. 11 The British win the Battle of Brandywine, Pennsylvania
Sept. 16 Rain-out at the Battle of the Clouds, Pennsylvania
Sept. 19 Burgoyne checked by Americans under Gates at Freeman’s Farm, NY. This is part of the “Battles of Saratoga.”
Sept. 21 Paoli Massacre, PA
Sept. 26 British under Howe occupy Philadelphia
Oct. 4 Americans driven off at the Battle of Germantown
Oct. 7 Burgoyne loses second battle of Freeman’s Farm, NY (at Bemis Heights). This is part of the “Battles of Saratoga.”
Oct. 17 Burgoyne surrenders to American General Gates at Saratoga, NY
Oct. 22 Hessian attack on Fort Mercer, NJ repulsed
Nov. 16 British capture Fort Mifflin, Pennsylvania
Dec. 5-7 Americans repulse British at Whitemarsh, Pennsylvania
Dec. 19 Washington’s army retires to winter quarters at Valley Forge
1778
Feb. 6 The United States and France sign the French Alliance
March 7 British General William Howe replaced by Henry Clinton
May 20 Battle of Barren Hill, Pennsylvania
June 18 British abandon Philadelphia and return to New York
June 19 Washington’s army leaves Valley Forge
June 28 The Battle of Monmouth Court House ends in a draw
July 4 George Rogers Clark captures Kaskaskia, a French village south of St. Louis
Aug. 8 French and American forces besiege Newport, RI
Dec. 29 The redcoats occupy Savannah
1779
Feb. 3 Maj. Gen. Moultrie defeats British detachment at Port Royal Island, SC
Feb. 14 Andrew Pickens and Elijah Clarke beat Loyalists at Kettle Creek, NC
Feb. 23-24 American George Rogers Clark captures Vincennes (now Indiana) on the Wabash in the Western campaign
March 3 British Lt. Col. Jacques Marcus Prevost defeats Americans under Gen. John Ashe at Brier Creek, GA
May 11-13 Maj. General Augustin Prévost (brother of Jacques, see above) breaks his siege when American forces under Maj. Gen. Lincoln approaches
June 20 Stono River, SC, Maj. Gen. Lincoln inflicts extensive British casualties in indecisive battle
June 21 Spain declares war on Great Britain
July 8 Fairfield, CT, burned by British
July 11 Norwalk, CT, burned by British
July 15-16 American “Mad” Anthony Wayne captures Stony Point, NY
Aug. 19 “Light Horse” Harry Lee attacks Paulus Hook, NJ
Aug. 29 Newtown, NY, after two massacres, American forces burn Indian villages
Sept. 23 John Paul Jones, aboard the Bonhomme Richard, captures British man-of-war Serapis near English coast
Sept. 28 The Tappan Massacre (”No Flint” Grey kills 30 Americans by bayonet)
Oct. 9 American attempt to recapture Savannah, GA fails
Nov.-June 23, 1780 Washington’s 2nd winter at Morristown, NJ (the harshest winter of the 18th century)
1780
May 12 British capture Charleston, SC
May 29 British crush Americans at Waxhaw Creek, SC
June 20 Patriots rout Tories at Ramseur’s Mill, NC
July 11 French troops arrive at Newport, RI, to aid the American cause
Aug. 6 Patriots defeat Tories at Hanging Rock, SC
Aug. 16 British rout Americans at Camden, SC
Sept. 25 Benedict Arnold’s plans to cede West Point to the British discovered
Oct. 7 King’s Mountain, SC: battle lasts 65 minutes. American troops led by Isaac Shelby and John Sevier defeat Maj. Patrick Ferguson and one-third of General Cornwallis’s army
Oct. 14 Washington names Nathanael Greene commander of the Southern Army
1781
Jan. 1 Mutiny of unpaid Pennsylvania soldiers
Jan. 17 Patriot Morgan overwhelmingly defeats British Col. Tarleton at Cowpens, SC
Feb. 1 The Battle of Cowan’s Ford, Huntersville, NC
March 2 Articles of Confederation adopted
March 15 British win costly victory at Guilford Courthouse, NC
April 25 Greene defeated at Hobkirk’s Hill, SC
May 15 Corwallis clashes with Greene at Guilford Courthouse, NC
June 6 Americans recapture Augusta, GA
June 18 British hold off Americans at Ninety Six, SC
July 6 “Mad” Anthony Wayne repulsed at Green Springs Farm, VA
Sept. 8 Greene defeated at Eutaw Springs, SC
Sept. 15 French fleet drives British naval force from Chesapeake Bay
Oct. 19 Cornwallis surrounded on land and sea by Americans and French and surrenders at Yorktown, VA
1782
March 20 Lord North resigns as British prime minister
July 11 British evacuate Savannah, GA
Nov. 30 British and Americans sign preliminary Articles of Peace
Dec. 14 British leave Charleston, SC
1783
April 19 Congress ratifies preliminary peace treaty
Sept. 3 The United States and Great Britain sign the Treaty of Paris
Nov. 25 British troops leave New York City
Dec. 23 Washington resigns as Commander
1787
Sept. 17 U.S. Constitution signed
1788
June 21 U.S. Constitution adopted, when New Hampshire ratifies it

http://www.ushistory.org/declaration/revwartimeline.htm

[AmishDude]

Alinsky doesn’t apply to Obama anymore. Alinsky is for rabblerousers, for people outside of “the system”. The outcomes are not the same for leaders.

[WellyP]

Obama and his Communist and Socialist friends had failed to take into account for two thing! Time is on our side and the vast majority of people in the country are “center right” and DO NOT want a Socialist nanny state.

Like most dictators and would be dictators Obama has been trying to create a personal security force. We are lucky that Obama’s attempt to form a “National Security Force, a force totally controled by OBAMA has been too little and to late! We are also lucky that we have the United States Military and OUR State and local security forces. They will stand together and they WILL NOT fire on U. S. Citizens!

They WOULD open fire on rioting thugs, those killing, burning, rioting, looting and stealing in “the hood”.

[The Comedian]

"Chaos" is only going to overtake the mindless scum on the Left in government and the general population.

Remember, we're the ones storing food, planting gardens, buying guns, and organizing mutual support organizations.

They're the side whose members are busy downloading gender reassignment surgery application forms at night after a hard day at the ACORN office dishing out advice on how to operate child prostitution operations.

When the groceries run out, things change.

They're 72 hours from chaos.

We're 72 hours from freedom.

Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

[JimRed]

"The third rule of ethics of means and ends is that in war the end justifies almost any means...." p.29/

Then we need to treat them as their own rules dictate, because that works both ways, and there are more of us than them.

If ridicule and belittlement don't work, they must be taught fear.

[yield 2 the right]

GOD HELP US ALL!

[dagogo redux]

I came to Buddhism by way of Hindu Shaivism, and I still smell of Shiva. I have read this before in Alinsky’s screed, and I must say, I have no problem with it.

Shiva, in classic Hindu understanding, is one of three main manifestations of God: Shiva, the Destroyer; Brahma, the Creator, Vishnu, the Maintainer. The world is cyclical, not linear, and various forms get created, maintained and destroyed ad infinitem. The destruction is no less holy than the creation or the maintaining - it is part of the way things are structured.

But for these Communists who have Progressively usurped our Constitutional Republic for the past century, I don’t think they understand that Alinsky’s truths cut both ways. The current political and cultural status quo and trends, the result of a long decline in their chosen direction, will invariably have its day of reckoning, its rendevous with Shiva, and out of the confligration and destruction will come a new entity unlike the one before.

The newly emerging entity probably will not be what they hope for. The community will be re-organized in new ways, probably once again a basic return to our roots as a people, a regression to the mean. It will not be pretty along the way - Shiva will rule - but the cyclic return to our true nature as a people would be the predicted outcome.

Alinsky is a Shaivite at heart: I have no problem with that. He just didn’t think it through past his adolescent fascination with radicalism.

[reasonisfaith]

Maybe his Alinsky plan will only succeed until now, and from this point will run up against unforeseen challenges.

[M. Espinola]

Alinsky’s (Obama’s) communist plot to dismember America one bureaucracy after the other, and when the time is right implement a total totalitarian dictatorship, including selling out our national security to the Russians.

[Biggirl]

I see a new Civil War 2 in the making or a Revolution 2.

[DTogo]

USA Gun Owners Buy 14 Million Plus Guns In 2009

[JimRed]

Old thread reviving BUMP. Updates, anyone?