Posted on 03/22/2010 9:20:02 AM PDT by AlanD
We can live in the world of reality or a world of pretend.
Reality:
A new Governor will be elected in California, one of the most important states of the Union.
That new Governor’s name will be either Arnold Schwarzenegger or Cruz Bustamante.
Cruz Bustamante will be a mouthpiece for the State Workers Unions and Teachers Union.
Arnold Schwarzenegger is a strong fiscal conservative.
Meg Whitman’s IQ is about 20 points higher than Arnold or GWB.
Ain’t it the danged TRUTH!!! The hogs are back, sloggin at the same intellectual trough of Al Davis philosophy... The lame-ast politics of expediency!!!
However, Poisoner ain’t much better, if ANY better by what I see. They’re both pathetic and NOT fundamentally conservative at all!!!
At least we got a decent candidate for U.S. Senate... Chuck DeVore. I'm not sure about Governor. The candidate who sounds best is now is Larry Naritelli (see /www.larrynaritelli.com/ ), but the media is no doubt going to do a complete blackout of his candidacy so I'd be shocked if 1% of Californians know who he is when they cast their ballots.
The Obama luvin' media are blatant RINO enablers!
Well, what would one expect from the L.A. Slimes?
Seriously, I spoke with a conservative tonight who says he might just vote for Moonbeam. At least you KNOW what you are getting.
We California conservatives have been BURNED. We fought to get rid of Davis, and to replace him with a well-known, an entrepreneur, who grew up in a socialist country and swore he’d fight to keep socialism out of our state, lower taxes, and bring back jobs. We did it. And he slipped into the privates of his wife and governed completely from the left.
We can’t trust Meg Whitman. She may be too far to the right for the Slimes, but that is not saying anything.
As I have said before in this thread, If you decide to run for Governor of California I will support you.
Until then, Whitman is the best candidate and deserves your vote.
Poisoner (nice) indeed not much better than Whitman. Gore recount donator (blames the wife) and liberal when he ran as a RINO for state Assembly. Now claims to be conservative. Decent of him to lie.
For the Senate Fiornia claims at least to be more conservative than I thought. Even claiming to be pro-life. Might she be ok? We have only her word. If she’s only as bad as her buddy McCain that may be worth voting for to stop Campbell.
DeVore is preferable but is polling in the basement.
Campbell sucks.
Wait, Fiorina claims to be pro-life? That’s the first I’ve ever heard of that. If she’s pro-life, why wouldn’t she hit Campbell hard on his opposition to the partial-birth abortion ban? After all, she has to beat him in the primary before even thinking of “running to the middle” in the general.
OMG, I just Googled it, and Fiorina *is* avowedly pro-life:
http://www.blogher.com/mccain-adviser-carly-fiorina-pro-choice-women-wont-vote-mccain
http://mediamattersaction.org/factcheck/200908240006
And Fiorina hasn’t said a word about her pro-life position to California’s Republican primary voters (most of whom are pro-life)? Keeping mum is 20 times dumber than running Demon Sheep ads.
I just thought of a couple of additional implications from Fiorina’s position on abortion:
1. It is getting harder and harder to support Chuck DeVore in the primary, as one can no longer credibly say that there are “no policy differences” between Fiorina and Campbell (if one could ever make that claim) and the polls show that DeVore is mired in single digits and takes precious votes away from Fiorina.
2. We could go from zero pro-life women in the U.S. Senate (and only one in the past 23 years—Liddy Dole for a single term ending in 2009) to a whopping 4 pro-life U.S. Senators come January. Kelly Ayotte, Jane Norton and Sue Lowden are clear frontrunners in both the GOP primary and the general, and Fiorina has at least even odds of winning the nomination and has a fighting chance of beating Boxer.
“4 pro-life U.S. Senators” = “4 pro-life female U.S. Senators”
I guess if you compare Fiorina and Campbell's on the issues side-by-side, you could make a legitimate case that Fiorina is the 'more conservative' candidate (pro-life, pro-Prop 8, etc.) Still, I would say she's right-of-center at best, whereas DeVore is a proven reliable conservative. It is bizarre that she's "running to the center" during a GOP primary (look at her "issues page" on her website and it's all mushy rhetoric that would never leave you believe she's conservative) and not pointing out obvious issues that would help her candidacy with GOP voters like the fact Campbell is pro-partial birth abortion and she opposes it.
Some freepers will actually try to make the case that Tom Campbell is the "more conservative" candidate, apparently based around feel good stuff like "oh I meet his family at the supermarket and they are super nice and pro-American!". Nevermind the fact Campbell is militantly pro-abortion and served as Ahnuld's budget director.
I do stand by my remarks that in the Governor's race, Poisoner and Witless are equally bad RINO Demon Sheep.
I think what it boils down to the conservative base doesn't trust Fiorina will be on our side because of the odious people supporting her in the primary (John McCain, Mitt Romney, Lisa Murkowski, Olympia Snowe, Susan Collins, etc. ... puke) and although she bashes Campbell RINOism, she doesn't walk the walk or talk the talk on any important conservative issues (stuff like "cut government wasteful spending and bring back jobs to California" is too vague and full of platitudes to count, not to mention the fact EVERY candidate every candidate professes to hold the same views).
If she was a bit more conservative AND had a good record in her previous job, you could make the case that the primary is similar to last year's NJ race. A bunch of freepers insisting Chris Christie was evil RINO scum ala Ahnuld who would govern just like a Dem, even though Christie was well to the right of the Ahnuld-types on the issues and had a solid track record going after corrupt liberals in the past. In hindsight, all the insistence that Christie was RINO scum seems to be pure guilt-by-association. The problem is Fiorana is being far more convert about her conservative views than Christie, and I would argue her track record at HP was medoicre.
The bottom line is I don't trust Fiorina and I don't know a single informed conservative who does. You make a good case that we should probably support her in a general election over Boxer, but I am totally uncomfortable with supporting her in the primary when there is a reliable conservative running. It sucks that DeVore is in third place but he's the only one who can be trusted. I suppose we could consider Fiorina if the poll the day before the primary was something like 40% Fiorina, 40% Campbell, 5% DeVore, 15% undecided, but even there it would be really hard to hold my nose for her in the primary and hope for the best because I don't want Campbell.
There's something about Fiorina that just rubs me the wrong way. Can't put my finger on it.
If, *if*, she hadn’t given so much money to Dems, I might be inclined to believe this...
Funny, my expectations aboutCarly Fiorina were so low starting off that one could say that she has actually rubbed me the right way; most stuff that has come out about her makes me more likely to support her. But the biggest thing that Fiorina has going for her, at least in my eyes, is that I freaking hate Tom Campbell and everything for which he stands, and I will be damned if I’m going to let him take the GOP deeper into the hole of extreme social liberalism (not to mention his hatred for Israel and his kowtowing to Islamists). Campbell makes Kirk and Castle seem like Dan Burton by comparison.
I like Chuck DeVore, and I don’t think that his candidacy would be a lost cause running against Boxer, but it’s looking less and less likely that he can win the primary. And with every passing day, it’s more apparent that we won’t see a top-tier conservative such as McClintock or Issa (either of whom I would support in a heartbeat) jump into the race. That makes this essentially a two-person race between Campbell and Fiorina. Given my views on Campbell, I would have to dislike Fiorina with a passion in order to deny her my support, and I certainly don’t dislike her all that much. So unless DeVore can prove himself to be competitive in the primary, I will support my “second choice,” Carly Fiorina.
I was surprised as well. I didn’t do the research on her kinda lumped him in with the DIABLO Whitman. If you’d asked me I’d have told you she was running as Ms. Pro-Choice Centrist.
As a McCain adviser she correctly said re abortion that most pro-choice woman aren’t 1 issue voters and the rabid ones are gonna be voting rat anyhow.
I get the impression she’s afraid her pro-life stance might be harmful for the general. She could seriously club Campbell on social issues. Gay marriage, partial birth, needle exchange. We can’t nominate that guy, he’s only a bit better than Kirk/Castle. Extreme social liberal with highly questionable fiscal credentials. I’m bullish on our chances to take out Boxer.
Fiorina could be a pleasant surprise or a nasty tease she has no record in elective office so we can’t know for sure unless she’s elected. If she’s on a par with McCain that’s better than Campbell whom we have the book on. It’s odd how a few freepers are so in favor of him. Blech.
If DeVore doesn’t take off conservatives should consider her. He’ll remain the best choice even if he gets 5% but if he can’t win...
The primary is June 8th.
For Governor, with Arnold (probably less popular than Bush in Cali now) and George Ryan in mind I can’t support the crud frontrunners. Whitman is Arnold in heavy makeup. Poizner is a flip flopper telling Republican what they want to hear.
A few Cali freepers have such dread of Moonbeam Brown. It can’t get much worse than Arnold’s brand of “Republican”.
Too bad a term limited conservative state legislator or someone didn’t file. I guess no one wants to job or to have to deal with moneybags Whitman.
Good luck Larry Nartelli.
Worse than Kirk and Castle you think?
He hates Israel too? Who does he think he is Chuck Percy? Ed Zschau? That’s puts in the crapper on foreign, social, and fiscal.
We are pretty well screwed out of any righteous conservatives here in CA, arent’t we?!?
Check out Campbell’s statements re: Israel through the years, as well as his support for Islamist radicals. He’d be far worse on foreign policy than Castle or (especially) Kirk.
Kirk and Castle are both social liberals, but neither one is as extreme as Campbell. Campbell supports same-sex marriage, which neither Kirk nor Castle do. And Campbell voted against the partial-birth abortion ban every chance he got, and voted in favor of every hostile motion so as to try to prevent passage. Castle, on the other hand, voted for the PBA ban every time it came up (albeit also for the hostile motions), while Kirk cast a key vote against the most dangerous hostile motion—the sham substitute amendment-— in 2003 (Kirk went on to vote against the PBA, but passage wasn’t in doubt once the sham substitute amendment was defeated).
Maybe Campbell is a bit better than Castle and Kirk on economic issues. Maybe. But I wouldn’t count on it, given his mixed record on economic issues and the fact that his liberal extremism on social issues will always lead him to tax and spend more (NO WAY Campbell would have voted against cap and trade, for example, since his environmentalism would get the better of him).
So, in a nutshell, Tom Campbell is a DIABLO, pure and simple. Remember Democrat Congressman Albert Wynn of MD, whose black-majority suburban district was over 80% Democrat? A Senator Campbell would probably have a voting record indistinguishable from Wynn’s (except that Wynn would likely be better with regards to Middle-Eastern issues). Whether we should nominate someone like Campbell in an 80% Democrat CD is a fair question (to be honest, I wouldn’t mind so much if he ran against Nancy Pelosi or Pete Stark in those districts), but California is a 55%-59% Democrat state and there’s no reason to believe that we need a Barbara Boxer with a Y chromosome to win this election.
I’m supporting whoever can beat Campbell in the primary. It sure looks like Fiorina right now.
DeVore and Fiorina appeared at some townhall with Sean Hannity. Campbell declined to appear. Mostly conservatoires in the audience. He would’ve been booed.
I only watched a little. I’m sure Hannity’s site has the video.
From what I saw Carly tried to seem conservative. DeVore suggested she would have voted for Sotomayor and the bailout. She was shaking her head and said she’s stated many times she was against the bailout. Both think Campbell is a liberal.
DeVore trails Boxer by just 4 in the last poll I saw.
If he could get nominated.
For Governor you are sadly screwed. You won’t even get a moderate. Your choice will be a Leftist “Republican” probably Whitman or Moonbeam Brown.
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