“’Actually it was the ratification of the Constitution in 1787-88.’
‘Which wouldn’t have been ratified at all had it excluded slavery...which makes your point, well, pointless.’”
Huh? what does slavery have to do with anything? This is what Zionist Conspirator was responding to:
“it was Lincoln and the defeat of the Confederacy that put us on the nationalist path that has given us Obama and ObamaCare.”
And, to be sure, it’s hard to argue that the creation of the national government didn’t put us on the nationalist path more than the Civil War. Firstly, there wouldn’t have been a war without there being a national government. Secondly, Lincoln and the other nationalists were of a ming to assert the supremacy of the national government without the Civil War giving them inspiration. They thought that up all by themselves, so accustomed were they to the preeminence of the America as the U.S.
Uh.... apparently I followed the reasoning correctly as witnessed by his reply. It is you who are confused and unable to follow along.
“Firstly, there wouldn’t have been a war without there being a national government.”
LOL! Why? We had two World Wars without a World government. No offense, but I think you are a bit over your head here.
“Secondly, Lincoln and the other nationalists were of a ming to assert the supremacy of the national government without the Civil War giving them inspiration.”
Indeed...the War Between the States gave them the MEANS to achieve their nationalist desires.
“They thought that up all by themselves, so accustomed were they to the preeminence of the America as the U.S.”
Which is so historically wrong as to be laughable. Not sure if it’s your wording or you just don’t know better. It makes little sense that they would be “so accustomed” to such a thing when secession was a threat made by the north before it was put into practice by the south.
I recommend you bone up on American history before corresponding any further.