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Military Cartridge Brass Destruction 2010 - Round 2
progunleaders.org ^ | 25 March, 2010 | Gary Marbut

Posted on 03/25/2010 4:48:38 AM PDT by marktwain

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To: marktwain
"Assurability for the [military] installation, that no one can use this cartridge against law enforcement or our military personnel, by reloading the case."

Oh yeah man, all that reloaded brass has really been a problem. Haven't you noticed?

21 posted on 03/25/2010 7:05:37 AM PDT by oyez (The difference in genius and stupidity is that genius has it limits.)
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To: marktwain
"Keeps Military Grade Brass from being re-loaded by unauthorized users

)Oh, that's something new. I didn't know you had to be authorized to reload ammo.

22 posted on 03/25/2010 7:08:45 AM PDT by oyez (The difference in genius and stupidity is that genius has it limits.)
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To: oyez

Get that?
They want to make sure this brass is never used against a government agent.

Moreover,

They want to make sure that no citizen is able to defend themselves against a government agent.


23 posted on 03/25/2010 7:15:07 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: marktwain

ATK are a bunch of government-sucking, anti-competitive a$$****s who are selling out gun owners. They should be boycotted.

That means to AVOID BUYING “FEDERAL”-branded cartridges.


24 posted on 03/25/2010 7:15:12 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Anything worth doing, is worth doing badly at first.)
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"Keeps Military Grade Brass from being re-loaded by unauthorized users."

Unauthorized users? UNAUTHORIZED USERS?? We owned the damn stuff while we were letting THEM use it!

25 posted on 03/25/2010 7:16:08 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: SJSAMPLE
To anybody that's not a hand loader, 500 rds sounds like a lot of ammo. To a hand loader it's simply an afternoons fun.

I load 19 different rounds/calibers.

26 posted on 03/25/2010 7:58:47 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: marktwain

Something about this story doesn’t compute.

Isn’t there an ammo manufacturer in Georgia that is a heavy user of cartidge cases?

We should chekc with them.


27 posted on 03/25/2010 8:00:54 AM PDT by texmexis best
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To: texmexis best

I think that company is called Georgia Arms.


28 posted on 03/25/2010 8:03:11 AM PDT by ex 98C MI Dude (Alea Iacta Est)
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To: IMR 4350

Waaaay too many for me.
I’ve reloaded about twelve different cartridges over the years, but now I’m back to the basics.

I finally ditches 357SIG (poorly designed cartridge) and I no longer reload .30-30 or .270 Win for hunting.

Now, it’s just 9mm, .40SW, .45ACP and 5.56mm.
Although, I might buy another .357 magnum and return to handloading for it.

And my Dillon XL650 makes 500rnds in about 2 hours, including setup and prep ;)


29 posted on 03/25/2010 8:20:46 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: texmexis best

Black Hills?


30 posted on 03/25/2010 8:21:29 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: SJSAMPLE

I’ve been loading over 30yrs, still using single stage. I’d find a gun with a good price, in a caliber I didn’t have, then get it just to experiment with the round. The only one I’m not to crazy about is the .32mag. The .32-20 will do everything it will do and then some, but it’s still fun.


31 posted on 03/25/2010 8:41:35 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: Charles Martel

“ATK produces a number of “civilian” ammunition products (Blazer, CCI, Federal, Speer, etc.). Perhaps we should help those subsidiaries to become less profitable.”

They also own RCBS - one of the largest RELOADING supply companies. On hold with them now over this.


32 posted on 03/25/2010 9:31:17 AM PDT by Favor Center (Targets Up! Hold hard and favor center!)
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Dang, didn't realize they owned RCBS. I have an *old* Rock Chucker and some dies, but most of my more recent hardware is from Dillon.

Yep, scratch RCBS off the shopping list until/unless this is resolved.

33 posted on 03/25/2010 9:35:34 AM PDT by Charles Martel ("Endeavor to persevere...")
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“Yep, scratch RCBS off the shopping list until/unless this is resolved.”

RCBS was just made aware this morning. I was told their GM was very interested in it.


34 posted on 03/25/2010 9:40:27 AM PDT by Favor Center (Targets Up! Hold hard and favor center!)
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To: Favor Center

“RCBS was just made aware this morning. I was told their GM was very interested in it.”

Calling Alliant Powder now.


35 posted on 03/25/2010 9:43:47 AM PDT by Favor Center (Targets Up! Hold hard and favor center!)
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To: OKSooner
No more cheap ammo.

Hasn't been for some time.

36 posted on 03/25/2010 11:45:39 AM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: marktwain
Congress can fix this in one of two ways. First would be to allow the installations to keep the money, no matter who the once fired brass or other surpluss material is sold to. They'd get more selling it as formed catridge cases than as scrap metal. The other way is not to allow these sorts of "back channel" private deals, and require the money that they would get from ATK to go into the general fund just as the other surplus sales do now.

I prefer the first solution, it keeps the money "at home" as it were, rather than allowing it to be spent on health care for Welfare Queens.

37 posted on 03/25/2010 11:49:56 AM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: basil
I can’t help but wonder in who’s hands all this metal is ending up.

The article says it goes back to the foundries were ATK buys their metal from. Presumably it in effect gets turned into brand new cases.

What I can't figure out is why the military doesn't have it reloaded and the marked as "Training only". Most of it is generated that way in the first place. That way the military would get the benefit of reloading savings. They need all the budget help they can get these days.

38 posted on 03/25/2010 11:53:45 AM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: oyez
Oh, that's something new. I didn't know you had to be authorized to reload ammo.

Only if it is 20mm or larger. :)

I guess you'd have to be authorized for the Russian 14.5 mm too, since that is over .50 caliber too.

39 posted on 03/25/2010 1:15:49 PM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: marktwain
ATK Solicitation for Ft. Irwin, .pdf ATK Overview of Brass Solicitation, .pdf

The Ft. Irwin document is dated July 2008. No date that I could find on the other one. Is it possible that these are from the "must demill" period?

One statement makes me think it might be. In the "ATK Overview of Brass Solicitation" they talk about DOD416021M1 requiring the demilling of ammo. But we know that requirement was changed (by changing the categorizatoin of fired cases to one not requiring demilling. Still, even if it was, I'm none too happy about the "authorized users" and "non-military purposes"

40 posted on 03/25/2010 2:47:22 PM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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