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Trial: abuse expert says Scouts put boys at risk
hosted ^ | Mar 24 | ABBY HAIGHT

Posted on 03/25/2010 8:58:32 AM PDT by JoeProBono

PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) -- The Boy Scouts of America showed reckless indifference to protecting young Scouts when it kept confidential two decades worth of files on suspected molesters among its troop leaders, a psychologist testified Wednesday as part of a $14 million lawsuit against the organization.

Despite creating a remarkably in-depth file about sexual abusers, the Boy Scouts failed to warn parents or tell authorities about suspected or confessed pedophiles, said Gary Schoener, a national expert and consultant on sexual misconduct in the clergy, health care and other segments of society.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bsa; jpb; scouts

1 posted on 03/25/2010 8:58:33 AM PDT by JoeProBono
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To: SandRat

Ping!


2 posted on 03/25/2010 8:59:42 AM PDT by SZonian (We began as a REPUBLIC, a nation of laws. We became a DEMOCRACY, majority rules. Next step is?)
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To: JoeProBono

Um...was there any actual “abuse”? Any actual misconduct? Or is this just Washington state’s edition of the continued attacks on America’s cherished institutions?


3 posted on 03/25/2010 9:04:09 AM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: JoeProBono

“suspected molesters”
Should read suspected homosexuals..
If this is true they kept files on the gays and even let them back in, i am shocked and disgusted.........


4 posted on 03/25/2010 9:05:03 AM PDT by GSP.FAN (These are the times that try men's souls.)
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To: JoeProBono
They'll take the Scouts apart any way they can. The were trying to ban them from the schools because they mention G_d in their oath. They get them banned from public facilities because they don't embrace homosexuality. Now when some turn up in the ranks, they pull them down using alleged crimes as the reason. The Boy Scouts refused to be politically correct, so they must be destroyed. In most cases, the Left has infiltrated and subverted everything, but the BS’s has just not given way. Bow or be crushed.
5 posted on 03/25/2010 9:05:58 AM PDT by throwback (o)
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To: JoeProBono

Considering how loathed the BSA is by the usual suspects, I’m somewhat skeptical of stories that make them look like the villain.


6 posted on 03/25/2010 9:06:59 AM PDT by Dr.Zoidberg (Warning: Sarcasm/humor is always engaged. Failure to recognize this may lead to misunderstandings.)
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To: throwback

Mmmm. How many Scoutmasters are married men?


7 posted on 03/25/2010 9:07:56 AM PDT by MrChips (MrChips)
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To: throwback

Agree with your post.


8 posted on 03/25/2010 9:10:09 AM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists...Call 'em What you Will, They ALL have Fairies Living In Their Trees.)
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To: JoeProBono
Boy Scouts and Cub Scouts NEED an...
"Expose the Pedophile Badge"..
9 posted on 03/25/2010 9:11:23 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: MrChips

Every single one that I have known. Along with the Cub Scouts and their Den leaders.


10 posted on 03/25/2010 9:12:11 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: Deb
the Boy Scouts failed to warn parents or tell authorities about suspected or confessed pedophiles,

And had the BSA 'warned' anyone about these people they would have been sued for privacy violations.

11 posted on 03/25/2010 9:13:10 AM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: JoeProBono

If you will check your Oregon history, you will note the mayor of Portland is a confessed molestor of a young boy in a restroom, while he was in office. Last time I checked, the mayor was fully supported by the “gay deviants” community for his courage in coming “out.” Like it or not, the perverts are gaining power and having access to children is high on their list.


12 posted on 03/25/2010 9:14:15 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot ((Read "The Grey Book" for an alternative to corruption in DC))
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To: throwback

“The Boy Scouts refused to be politically correct”

They don’t even admit GIRLS! Can you imagine that?


13 posted on 03/25/2010 9:15:51 AM PDT by DrC
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To: Deb
Did you read the article?
14 posted on 03/25/2010 9:17:46 AM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: JoeProBono

What happened to this man as a young boy was terrible. Thoughts and prayers for him.

I don’t see how these files show the BSA did nothing, though. The fact that they were keeping files demonstrates that they were trying to do something about the problem.

Waiting for more info before casting judgment.

So far, it sounds like this story is an attention-grabber because of the nickname for the files - the “perversion files” - and the number of reports - 1,100. We don’t know exactly what’s in all of those reports, yet.


15 posted on 03/25/2010 9:18:11 AM PDT by Tired of Taxes (Dad, I will always think of you.)
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To: taxcontrol

Thus, not all gay. Pedophilia is about lack of emotional development, and need for empowerment.


16 posted on 03/25/2010 9:21:25 AM PDT by MrChips (MrChips)
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To: JoeProBono

I did not. That’s why I asked. I’m allergic to links.


17 posted on 03/25/2010 9:23:13 AM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: Lurker

The war on America continues.


18 posted on 03/25/2010 9:24:22 AM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: DrC
They don’t even admit GIRLS! Can you imagine that?

Funny you should mention that. I love how the girl scouts are held in such high regard due to the fact that they are "forward thinking" (lesbian loving leftists).
19 posted on 03/25/2010 9:24:36 AM PDT by pennyfarmer (Your Socialist Beat our Liberal)
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To: JoeProBono
Since the trial is being held in the liberal bastion of Portland, Oregon you can count on a really big payout, maybe even triple damages. For the record, BSA, since the early 90’s, has implemented some pretty far reaching rules to attempt to eliminate sexual predators disguised as volunteers and to protect both the youth and the adult volunteers. The last predator I heard of in an Oregon troop was outed through his arrest for molestation of youth at his church...he was immediately removed as a BSA volunteer and he testified that he had been unable to molest any scouts because of the rules in place. Using this as an example I was able to get our church to implement similar rules. You can not believe how many people are unaware or deny that things like this happen.
20 posted on 03/25/2010 9:24:40 AM PDT by crazyhorse691 (Now that the libs are in power dissent is not only unpatriotic, but, it is also racist.)
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To: Neoliberalnot

The Boy Scouts must be destroyed. They are unAmerican according to the judiciary. They are a bad influence on our children. They must be replaced by community organizers like the Crips and Bloods to help guide our children. Once they denounce God and allow homosexual scout masters they will become acceptable. They are intolerant and therefore must be smashed. Yes, the jackboot of tolerance must smash them in the face. Welcome to the new improved Amerika. Koolaid anyone?


21 posted on 03/25/2010 9:24:56 AM PDT by Vehmgericht
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To: Deb

They are going after the deep pockets. The BSA could not make the files public because some of the names had never been convicted.


22 posted on 03/25/2010 9:25:43 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Neoliberalnot

The Boy Scouts must be destroyed. They are unAmerican according to the judiciary. They are a bad influence on our children. They must be replaced by community organizers like the Crips and Bloods to help guide our children. Once they denounce God and allow homosexual scout masters they will become acceptable. They are intolerant and therefore must be smashed. Yes, the jackboot of tolerance must smash them in the face. Welcome to the new improved Amerika. Koolaid anyone?


23 posted on 03/25/2010 9:28:55 AM PDT by Vehmgericht
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To: SZonian
Some years ago, when the Supreme Court decided that the Boy Scouts did, in fact, have a right to determine who should be leaders of the troops, the left dammed the organization to hell, called them homophobic, convinced some charity groups to stop funding them, kicked them out of buildings they had used for years, etc. etc.

And now they are being demonized because they kept files on sex offenders to make an attempt to keep these offenders from becoming leaders in other troops.

24 posted on 03/25/2010 9:29:38 AM PDT by 3catsanadog (If healthcare reform is passed, 41 years old will be the new 65 YO.)
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To: AppyPappy

So, its the usual harassment and war by lawsuit, since the charges are without merit.


25 posted on 03/25/2010 9:33:19 AM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: hosepipe

Now THAT was funny. I’m laughing, and I have three in scouts.

I’m picturing the scoutmaster making that announcement at the next troop meeting: “OK, scouts, we have a new merit badge...”


26 posted on 03/25/2010 9:33:58 AM PDT by Tired of Taxes (Dad, I will always think of you.)
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To: Deb

Charges are with merit against the molester. They are blaming the Boy Scouts for having a naughty list. The state thinks it is wrong to have a list and wrong to not release it.

Yeah, I know.


27 posted on 03/25/2010 9:36:07 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: throwback

I agree with your statements. Further, if the Scout leadership had identified potential perverts they could have been opened to litigation.


28 posted on 03/25/2010 9:37:39 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: crazyhorse691
I have been an Asst. Scoutmaster for about 10 years now and the BSA works very hard to protect the Scouts from potential abuse.

To achieve the first rank, each Scout has to go over a pamphlet with their parents regarding sexual abuse. The parent cover the material at what ever level they are comfortable with but the message is clear. And they must sign it.

When I joined as a Scouter (adult), I had to have a FBI finger print screen, which would have shown any prior problems.

Scouting has a “two deep” policy. Two adults must always be within eye or ear shot when dealing with Scouts. Basically, an adult leader is NEVER supposed to be alone with a Scout.
Adults take this requirement VERY seriously in my troop. It is for the Scouts safety and mine too. Honestly, my life could be destroyed by a false accusation from a Scout.

If the above was not adhered to, then something broke down.

29 posted on 03/25/2010 9:37:48 AM PDT by super7man
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To: JoeProBono
I will need to research Gary Schoener before I read any of his work.

I have developed a healthy suspicion of those that investigate well established churches and service organizations since Bernie Ward.

Ward, "Lion of the Left", similarly trashed the Catholic Clergy and Church while exonerating and promoting gays and anarchists.

Anti capital punishment and cleverly pro abortion, Ward was finally caught out as a life long pervert, pedophile, and child porn enthusiast, and is currently serving seven years in Federal prison for his crimes.

Turns out that Ward persecuted the Catholic Church because the Church refused to protect him and give him access to children when he was a member of the Catholic Clergy. He "resigned" and suddenly became anti Catholic.

While the Church is not without fault, in Ward's case, they acted properly, and were targeted for it. The Boy Scouts have been similarly targeted, which raises my suspicions.

Typically the left, ARE the monsters they accuse others of being.

30 posted on 03/25/2010 9:44:07 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Sarah and the Conservatives will rock your world.)
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To: JoeProBono

And, the experts, I’m sure, will recommend allowing homosexual scoutmasters as a solution to the problem. It’s closeted homosexuality and homophobia that is resulting in molestation within the scouts.


31 posted on 03/25/2010 9:45:45 AM PDT by Ol' Sparky (Liberal Republicans are the greater of two evils)
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To: super7man
Barriers to Abuse Within Scouting

The BSA has adopted the following policies to provide additional security for our members. These policies are primarily for the protection of our youth members; however, they also serve to protect our adult leaders from false accusations of abuse.

■Two-deep leadership.

Two registered adult leaders or one registered leader and a parent of a participant, or other adult, one of whom must be 21 years of age or older, are required on all trips and outings. The chartered organization is responsible for ensuring that sufficient leadership is provided for all activities.

■No one-on-one contact.

One-on-one contact between adults and youth members is not permitted. In situations that require personal conferences, such as a Scoutmaster's conference, the meeting is to be conducted in view of other adults and youths.

■Respect of privacy.

Adult leaders must respect the privacy of youth members in situations such as changing clothes and taking showers at camp, and intrude only to the extent that health and safety require. Adults must protect their own privacy in similar situations.

■Cameras, imaging, and digital devices.

While most campers and leaders use cameras and other imaging devices responsibly, it has become very easy to invade the privacy of individuals. It is inappropriate to use any device capable of recording or transmitting visual images in shower houses, restrooms, or other areas where privacy is expected by participants.

■Separate accommodations.

When camping, no youth is permitted to sleep in the tent of an adult other than his own parent or guardian. Councils are strongly encouraged to have separate shower and latrine facilities for females. When separate facilities are not available, separate times for male and female use should be scheduled and posted for showers.

■Proper preparation for high-adventure activities.

Activities with elements of risk should never be undertaken without proper preparation, equipment, clothing, supervision, and safety measures.

■No secret organizations.

The Boy Scouts of America does not recognize any secret organizations as part of its program. All aspects of the Scouting program are open to observation by parents and leaders.

■Appropriate attire.

Proper clothing for activities is required. For example, skinny-dipping is not appropriate as part of Scouting.

■Constructive discipline.

Discipline used in Scouting should be constructive and reflect Scouting's values. Corporal punishment is never permitted.

■Hazing prohibited. Physical hazing and initiations are prohibited and may not be included as part of any Scouting activity.

■Junior leader training and supervision.

Adult leaders must monitor and guide the leadership techniques used by junior leaders and ensure that BSA policies are followed.

■Member responsibilities.

All members of the Boy Scouts of America are expected to conduct themselves in accordance with the principles set forth in the Scout Oath and Law. Physical violence, hazing, bullying, theft, verbal insults, drugs, and alcohol have no place in the Scouting program and may result in the revocation of a Scout's membership in the unit.

■Unit responsibilities.

The head of the chartered organization or chartered organization representative and the local council must approve the registration of the unit's adult leader. Adult leaders of Scouting units are responsible for monitoring the behavior of youth members and interceding when necessary. Parents of youth members who misbehave should be informed and asked for assistance in dealing with it.

http://www.scouting.org/YouthProtection.aspx

32 posted on 03/25/2010 9:46:35 AM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: Navy Patriot

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zr7r9hGoz5E


33 posted on 03/25/2010 9:50:43 AM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: JoeProBono

Thanks for the details, I was only trying to give the basics for those not familar with Scouting.

Scouts works VERY hard to protect eveybody as your post shows.


34 posted on 03/25/2010 9:56:05 AM PDT by super7man
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To: super7man
When I was an Asst SM back in the 70’s there was virtually no rules in place...it wasn't until about 1980(in response to a successful lawsuit about molestation in Portland[it always seems to be Portland])that notice was started being taken. I became active again in 1993 as Charter Org Rep and most of the rules we see now were in place. The past few years has seen some additional rules added. In my opinion, the BSA is on top of the problem now. And they certainly stand a head above all other volunteer groups on this issue. The fact that they were even keeping files in the 80’s proves to me that they were sincere in protecting the youth, but lacked a model to refer to...they had to make it up as they went along.
35 posted on 03/25/2010 9:56:34 AM PDT by crazyhorse691 (Now that the libs are in power dissent is not only unpatriotic, but, it is also racist.)
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To: super7man

>Thanks for the details

No, thank you for the info.


36 posted on 03/25/2010 9:59:41 AM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: JoeProBono

Thanks for posting that info. Now I can go back and delete the same info that I was prepared to post.


37 posted on 03/25/2010 10:02:29 AM PDT by crazyhorse691 (Now that the libs are in power dissent is not only unpatriotic, but, it is also racist.)
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To: JoeProBono

Let me get this straight: if they try to protect boys by preventing homosexuals from having access to young boys, they get slammed. Then, when they do allow access (as demanded) they are held liable.

Great.


38 posted on 03/25/2010 10:02:48 AM PDT by liberte
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To: Tired of Taxes
[ I’m picturing the scoutmaster making that announcement at the next troop meeting: “OK, scouts, we have a new merit badge...” ]

-OR- maybe an "Accuracy in rifle shooting" Badge..
with the target being a pedophile.. within a bullseye.. or BOTH...

39 posted on 03/25/2010 10:31:37 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: crazyhorse691

When I was an Asst SM back in the 70’s there was virtually no rules in place”

There were no rules because queers knew better than to attack boys in such an organization—they would have been smashed to the ground like the filth they are. Queers continue to gain ground and are becoming more bold in their attempts to capture more boys in contemporary society. Keep in mind, ancient Rome allowed queers to own (aka adopt), sell, and use young boys for whatever purpose they desired.


40 posted on 03/25/2010 11:03:30 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot ((Read "The Grey Book" for an alternative to corruption in DC))
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To: SZonian; RonF; AppauledAtAppeasementConservat; Looking for Diogenes; Congressman Billybob; ...

Scouts under attack PING!


41 posted on 03/25/2010 3:41:10 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country! What else needs said?)
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To: super7man

I totally agree. Both my sons are Eagle Scouts and while I was involved the local Organization was very conscientious about training for adults in these matters. God Bless the Scouts. No organization is perfect but IMO you can’t give your sons a better gift than being involved in the Scouts.


42 posted on 03/25/2010 6:37:22 PM PDT by Jenny217
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To: MrChips

Mmmm. How many Scoutmasters are married men?

In our area, about 85%. The rest are either Eagles who aged out or married women.


43 posted on 03/25/2010 8:10:11 PM PDT by gitmo
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To: Jenny217

Thanks for the note.
Of course I would have to agree with the “no better gift”.

I am an Eagle Scout (1969)and my son is an Eagle Scout (2007). Very proud of him. He is a fine young man.


44 posted on 03/26/2010 6:19:06 AM PDT by super7man
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