[Publius]

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Earlier threads:

FReeper Book Club: The Debate over the Constitution
5 Oct 1787, Centinel #1
6 Oct 1787, James Wilson’s Speech at the State House
8 Oct 1787, Federal Farmer #1
9 Oct 1787, Federal Farmer #2
18 Oct 1787, Brutus #1
22 Oct 1787, John DeWitt #1
27 Oct 1787, John DeWitt #2
27 Oct 1787, Federalist #1
31 Oct 1787, Federalist #2
3 Nov 1787, Federalist #3
5 Nov 1787, John DeWitt #3
7 Nov 1787, Federalist #4
10 Nov 1787, Federalist #5
14 Nov 1787, Federalist #6

[hosepipe]

Been reading "Going Rogue" by Sara Palin... very good book..
Glimpses of her life and experience you could get no other way.
Even if were good friends with her..

[loveliberty2]

Please refer to my Post #9 on the Federalist 6 Thread. My comments there involved the impact on the states and our liberty of departures from the Framers' built-in protections and provisions over the 200+ years since 1787.

Here are excerpts from that Post:

"In the Constitution of 1787, the Founders believed they had provisions and protections, including those which protected the concept of Federalism, to prevent such "aggrandize(ment)" by some at the "expense" of others.

"Tracing the history of how we have allowed the erosion of the principle of Federalism, combined with other violations of constitutional principle which have occurred over 200+ years, how does this "intelligent writer's" conclusion apply to states like California and others whose mismanagement now causes them "to aggrandize themselves at the expense of" other states who have been more prudent?

"See an essay entitled, "Federalism - the Division of Powers Between the National and State Governments," Part V, pp 90 - 96, "Our Ageless Constitution," which closes with this powerful 1821 declaration by Thomas Jefferson:

". . . when all government, domestic and foreign, in little as in great things, shall be drawn to Washington as the centre of all power, it will render powerless the checks provided of one government on another, and will become as venal and oppressive as the government from which we separated."

"The constitutional scholars who contributed to this volume's, powerful Part V essays traced the actions which have weakened the original protections and provisions of the Framers' Constitution over the 200 years from 1787 to its publication date in 1987."

[Jacquerie]

The Articles of Confederation obliged the parties to submit the matter to the decision of a federal court.

Well, a sort of federal court. From Article IX of the Articles of Confederation: "The United States in Congress assembled shall also be the last resort on appeal in all disputes and differences now subsisting or that hereafter may arise between two or more state concerning boundary, jurisdiction, or any other cause whatever; . . . " This is a very long and convoluted Article.

One problem immediately come to mind. The mixing of judicial and legislative responsibilities in one body is dangerous to liberties, as we see today in administrative agencies that write regulations, enforce and determine fines and penalties on their own. In this particular sense it took over 150 years to corrupt the Constitution to the point at which we began under the Articles.

[JDoutrider]

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