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KUHNER: Will America break up?
Washington Times ^

Posted on 03/27/2010 7:11:03 AM PDT by jimjohn2458

President Obama is splintering America. The passage of Obamacare was a historic victory for liberal governance. Yet, its true cost may be that it triggers the eventual breakup of the country.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 10thamendment; cwii; cwiiping; revolution; sesession; statesrights
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To: hstacey
and he was at best a mediocrity in that position!
181 posted on 03/27/2010 7:37:38 PM PDT by Reily
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To: SonOfDarkSkies

Hope you mean L.A. and not LA. LA is solidly red.


182 posted on 03/27/2010 7:38:34 PM PDT by JLLH
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To: Reily

You know, listening to him that would be a generous statement...


183 posted on 03/27/2010 7:55:55 PM PDT by hstacey
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To: mojitojoe

I dont think so. I think this is a smaller muslim-marxist rogue action. I believe he was a wild card from day one.


184 posted on 03/27/2010 8:01:13 PM PDT by himno hero
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To: Professional Engineer

Do you have a single original thought in your head or is everything a bad movie quote?


185 posted on 03/27/2010 8:09:12 PM PDT by CodeToad
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To: CodeToad

No need to get your dander up. It was just a friendly explanation.


186 posted on 03/27/2010 8:19:22 PM PDT by Professional Engineer (Petroleum, oil, lubricants. Add liquid oxygen. What could go wrong?)
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To: Momto2; Travis McGee

>>You’re gonna have to forcefully move a bunch of them out of Atlanta!!! I’m just sayin......

Maybe in town. OTP (Outside The Perimeter) is another story.

Too many are making this an urban-rural issue. The fault lines, the real front lines of any conflict, should one come to pass, will be at the amorphous urban-suburban boundary.

TM, on that note, do you have a recommended historical reading list for some of the modern conflicts of this nature?


187 posted on 03/28/2010 2:47:31 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (No Representation without Taxation!)
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To: skimbell
The problem with that is when you look at maps like this.

I'm not at all sure the state boundaries would be inviolable in any sort of serious unpleasantness.


188 posted on 03/28/2010 2:58:18 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (No Representation without Taxation!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

>>How do you want your capitalism? Under the control of the elite of centralized government under the guise of Communism or to the individual by way of free enterprise?

Actually, that’s more the Fascist economic model. I’d highly recommend Jonah Goldberg’s Liberal Fascism for a better understanding of Fascism, Socialism, and how they have historically controlled economic systems to control their countries.


189 posted on 03/28/2010 3:05:43 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (No Representation without Taxation!)
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To: mojitojoe; hstacey
“No, it’s not. It’s not working any longer. We are a divided nation and the cultural divide and hatred grows each year. If you can’t see that, I don’t know what more to say. I don’t find it fun to live in a country so divided and full of so much hatred. If you don’t think it’s true, take a stroll on the web. Go check out DU, KOS, the comments on You Tube, the comments all over the internet. There is real hatred. I would rather split up than sit back and wait for the inevitable civil war which will cause a split anyway.”

This sandbox has been infested with cat turds...

In my opinion, we need a split. How can we have a “homeland” with folks that constantly fight for taking our Rights away?

Just call one of these ‘freak-shows’ what they are, you'll see what rights are left. We can't play nice, no longer.

190 posted on 03/28/2010 3:14:14 AM PDT by Idabilly
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To: FreedomPoster

http://www.amazon.com/Seasons-Hell-Understanding-Bosnias-War/dp/0312113781

Every library has dozens of excellent books about the Russian, Spanish, Lebanese and Bosnian/Balkan civil wars. The link above is to “Seasons In Hell” about ethnic cleansing in Bosnia. I strongly recommend it. But it requires a strong stomach to read.


191 posted on 03/28/2010 5:30:46 AM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: FreedomPoster; CodeToad

That red-blue county map shows why an American CW would be Bosnia X 100. Very, very messy and ugly. No convenient north-south split this time.


192 posted on 03/28/2010 5:34:08 AM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Travis McGee

I’ve read a couple on the Spanish Civil War. Orwell’s Homage to Catalonia should be required H.S. reading. It is a quick read and well illustrates the morals of the Left.

I will likely pick up Seasons in Hell, and was just wondering if you could perhaps identify a few more out of the dozens, especially concerning the latter two.


193 posted on 03/28/2010 5:40:44 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (No Representation without Taxation!)
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To: jimjohn2458

Brilliant essay, and thought provoking.

It’s not alrmism anymore. The governed are NOT giving their consent, and , as in years like 1775 and 1860 in America, decisions will have to be made as to where one stands.


194 posted on 03/28/2010 5:41:36 AM PDT by exit82 (Democrats are the enemy of freedom. Sarah Palin is our Esther.)
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To: RochesterFan
The bitter debate over Obamacare has exposed the country's profound divisions. We are no longer one nation or one people. Rather, there are now two Americas: one conservative, the other liberal. Increasingly, we no longer just disagree but we despise each other.

He nailed that one too.

Yes, I agree with your comment--that sentence jumped out at me also.

195 posted on 03/28/2010 5:45:04 AM PDT by exit82 (Democrats are the enemy of freedom. Sarah Palin is our Esther.)
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To: skimbell

Hey, don’t forget Sussex County Delaware—we’re red as they come. We’re the southernmost county in the state. The Delmarva peninsula is pretty conservative also.


196 posted on 03/28/2010 5:48:31 AM PDT by exit82 (Democrats are the enemy of freedom. Sarah Palin is our Esther.)
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To: central_va
You want in on this?

Hell yeah!

I read your post about how long it might take to get a government up and running. Fortunately, others have been thinking about that also:

New Confederate States of America

Free Dixie!

"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."---Claire Wolfe

197 posted on 03/28/2010 9:53:36 AM PDT by cowboyway (Molon labe)
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To: FreedomPoster

I thought the Communists in the Soviet Union had a monopoly on the capital during their reign.


198 posted on 03/28/2010 10:48:42 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine
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To: Jack Hydrazine

The Soviet gov’t explicitly owned everything. The Fascists left the illusion of private ownership of business while in reality maintaining control of it, largely by regulatory fiat.


199 posted on 03/28/2010 1:20:20 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (No Representation without Taxation!)
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To: FreedomPoster

In truth the concept of private property is not allowed by Fascists, Communists, or other Leftist-conrolled governments. They government controls the capital not the individual.

The point I am trying to make is that capitalism exists under the Right or the Left. With the Left the government has control of the capital or government-controlled capitalism. With the Right the individual controls the capital which is also known as free enterprise capitalism.

The colony at Jamestown started as a collective agricultural settlement where the state (in this case the Crown) owned the land with the profits going to the state. Everyone was paid equally for their labor regardless of how productive or lazy they were.

William Bradford saw the result of this being poor harvests. He changed the economic model from one of state-controlled capitalism to free enterprise capitalism by letting people own their own tracts of land and letting them be as productive with it as they decided to be. The result was better harvests.

Today we have the Leftists working steadily to convert our country from what made it successful with free enterprise capitalism back to state-controlled capitalism.


200 posted on 03/28/2010 2:17:47 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine
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