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I am breaking my Passover to post this, but it is important. I posted this on the other thread. And Candor, you know me. I am very worried about how all of this is going down.
I am asking anyone who has vids up to get them gone, asap.
This is an all out on FREEDOM. It started here, but it will not end here.
Here is my previous post:
WHEN and WHERE did they attempt to use weapons of mass destruction in the commission of a crime?

I read that thing, (the indictment,) over and over and it never says where or when this was attempted. If it is true that these guys were planning to kill a police officer and there is proof of this, why all the peripheral stuff?
PLANNING to defend oneself against a government run amuck is no crime.
IF they planned to murder a police officer in cold blood, where did that information come from? This seems to be a very tight group.
It also refers to a “militia summit.” Why are there no other militias charged in this if they knew of this plan? Is this an excuse to descend on other militia groups?
I am having trouble with this.
Having lawful arms and medical supplies is not a crime but this is part of the charges.
The Survivalists do this as routine. Most of us have first aid kits in our homes and vehicles.
I am witholding judgment until I hear the other side of the story. This is overcharging from what I can see. These guys might be off the wall, but I want to see the specific evidence that this plan was going forward. And I also want to know if this is a prelude to further raids on militias using these kinds of charges that would apply to ANY militia anywhere.
Anything in this indictment beyond the INTENDED murder of a police officer is an overreach and could be applied to anyone who speaks in defiance of fed gov, and if upheld in a court of law damns us all.

249 posted on Monday, March 29, 2010 1:01:11 PM by MestaMachine
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Today, I am adding this, because everything I have seen even remotely connected to this smacks of an onslaught.
DO USE COMMON SENSE AND ALLOW FOR SELF PRESERVATION! WE ARE UNDER ATTACK. ACT ACCORDINGLY.
THIS is the real skivvy. Pay attention, PLEASE!:
Excerpt:
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20100329/D9EOISE80.html

Christian militia accused of plotting to kill cops
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FBI agents moved quickly against the group because its members were planning an attack sometime in April, prosecutors said. Authorities seized guns in the raids but would **not** say whether they found any explosives.

The arrests have dealt “a severe blow to a dangerous organization that today stands accused of conspiring to levy war against the United States,” Attorney General Eric Holder said.
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Authorities said the arrests underscored the dangers of homegrown right-wing extremism of the sort seen in the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing that killed 168 people.

In an indictment unsealed Monday, prosecutors said the group began military-style training in the Michigan woods in 2008, learning how to shoot guns and make and set off bombs.
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Prosecutors said Stone had identified certain law enforcement officers near his home as potential targets. He and other members **discussed** setting off bombs at a police funeral, using a fake 911 call to lure an officer to his death, killing an officer after a traffic stop, or attacking the family of an officer, according to the indictment.
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The charges against the eight include seditious conspiracy - plotting to levy war against the U.S. - possessing a firearm during a crime of violence, teaching the use of explosives, and attempting to use a weapon of mass destruction - homemade bombs. The defendants were jailed, awaiting bail hearings Wednesday.
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The nature of the organization’s alleged grudge against law enforcement and the government was unclear. The Web site does not list any specific grievances.

The site features a picture of 17 men in camouflage, all holding large guns, and includes videos of armed men running through the woods. Each wears a shoulder patch that bears a cross and two red spears.

David Cid, executive director of the Oklahoma City-based Memorial Institute for the Prevention of Terrorism, said there has been a resurgence in the past year or two of “domestic militancy” similar to what was seen before the Oklahoma City bombing.

“It’s issues like eminent domain and immigration, and apparently national health care in some quarters,” said Cid, a former FBI counterterrorism agent. “It’s increasing these people’s ire and their discomfort with their own government.”

The wife of one of the defendants described Hutaree as a small group of patriotic, Christian buddies who were just doing survival training.
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Sickles said she came home Saturday night to find her house in Sandusky, Ohio, in disarray. Agents seized the guns her husband collected as a hobby and searched for bomb-making materials, she said, but added: “He doesn’t even know how to make a bomb. We had no bomb material here.”

She said she couldn’t believe her 27-year-old husband could be involved in anything violent.

“It was just survival skills,” she said. “That’s what they were learning. And it’s just patriotism. It’s in our Constitution.”

One of the defendants expressed anti-tax views during his Monday court hearing.

Thomas W. Piatek, a truck driver from Whiting, Ind., told a federal judge he could not afford an attorney because he was “getting raped on property taxes.”
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Silent running.