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Utah Invokes Eminent Domain Against the Federal Government
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| 29 Mar 2010 at 3:41 PM
| ELIE MYSTAL
Posted on 03/29/2010 7:05:19 PM PDT by JerseyHighlander
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To: JerseyHighlander
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posted on
03/29/2010 7:07:47 PM PDT
by
SandRat
(Duty, Honor, Country! What else needs said?)
To: JerseyHighlander
To: JerseyHighlander
The federal government owns 50 percent of the State of Utah. It's the worse case in the nation of the Feds stealing from the state and it's residents. Clinton and Obama both took over millions of acres through new park designations. The problem is the school trust lands, that fund education in the state through oil and gas revenues, are now landlocked thanks to Obama’s purposeful and direct intentions.
This effort by the Governor seeks to bring the issue to the public forefront and take it all the way to the Supreme Court. How would you feel if a state like Iowa was gobbled up by the Federal Government?
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posted on
03/29/2010 7:11:36 PM PDT
by
Ripliancum
(I'm not ignoring you, just taking good counsel. - Proverbs 15:1-4)
To: JerseyHighlander
Interestingly enough, the Kelo decision may leave the Feds essentially defenseless. Nothing in the Constitution exempts the Feds from this sort of action by a State.
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posted on
03/29/2010 7:13:53 PM PDT
by
sourcery
(Government should be as powerless as possible, while still able to protect individual rights)
To: JerseyHighlander
It is in these unorthodox ways that the States (and citizens) will successfully battle Fedzilla.
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posted on
03/29/2010 7:16:32 PM PDT
by
PGR88
(I'm so open-minded, my brains fell out.)
To: JerseyHighlander
The Constitution authorizes the Federal government to operate "forts, dockyards, arsenals, magazines, and other needful buildings."
Not parks, wilderness, critical habitat, national forests, BLM rangeland, and other sequestered resources.
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posted on
03/29/2010 7:17:56 PM PDT
by
Carry_Okie
(The Democrats were the Slave Party then; they are the Slave Party now.)
To: JerseyHighlander
I read the article and can't say that I know much about the western states and the federal governments hold on the land. With that said, I can see how the feds are a hindrance to economic growth for the inhabitants of the state. In today's environment of the feds taking over, I would say, “Go Utah”.
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posted on
03/29/2010 7:18:20 PM PDT
by
Bronzy
To: sourcery
There is also the argument that leaving that land as a useless “monument” in a state full of them is “blight”, whereas mining coal turns it into a high tax value property and creates desperately needed jobs. Thus the higher tax revenue for the state of Utah from mining would trump fallow status by the Fed.
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posted on
03/29/2010 7:22:05 PM PDT
by
tbw2
(Freeper sci-fi - "Humanity's Edge" - on amazon.com)
To: Ripliancum
“It’s the worse case in the nation of the Feds stealing from the state and it’s residents.”
Actually third worst.
Here’s federal land ownership in the top 5 states.
1. Nevada 84.5%
2. Alaska 69.1%
3. Utah 57.4%
4. Oregon 53.1%
5. Idaho 50.2%
It’s also reasonable to point out that a great deal of the land in federal ownership in these states isn’t very useful for any private purpose anyway.
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posted on
03/29/2010 7:24:19 PM PDT
by
Sherman Logan
(It's the worse case in the nation of the Feds stealing from the state and it's residents.)
To: Sherman Logan
Correct, on the first count. I should have said the worst case of valuable land grabs in the nation. The energy reserves in oil, gas, coal and shale that were tied up by Clinton and Obama within Utah is absolutely criminal!
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posted on
03/29/2010 7:27:30 PM PDT
by
Ripliancum
(I'm not ignoring you, just taking good counsel. - Proverbs 15:1-4)
To: JerseyHighlander
The “new sagebrush rebellion”; I like it!
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posted on
03/29/2010 7:32:25 PM PDT
by
JSDude1
(www.wethepeopleindiana.org (Tea Party Member-Proud), www.travishankins.com (R- IN 09 2010!))
To: Ripliancum
“The federal government owns 50 percent of the State of Utah. It’s the worse case in the nation of the Feds stealing from the state and it’s residents”.
BZZZZT! Thank you for playing, but the Feds claim 87% + of all Nevada lands!
They are on the verge of announcing seizure or control of another 300,000 acres via pending “National Monument” status.
Several Nevada counties have so little taxable land that other counties have to fund their basic services.
Nevada was unconstitutionally ripped off as a condition of statehood.
The Fed. claims contradict the equal footing clause of our U.S. constitution.
The court of original jurisdiction in any state vs Fed. action would be SCOTUS.
Utah is making their case more difficult than necessary, apparently their senators are not doing their job of representing their state.
I hope Nevada makes their own stand via legislative finding in 2011.
To: Loyal Sedition
Thanks, I’ve been pointed out my error already.
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posted on
03/29/2010 7:38:32 PM PDT
by
Ripliancum
(I'm not ignoring you, just taking good counsel. - Proverbs 15:1-4)
To: Ripliancum
Thanks, Ive been pointed out my error already. Consider yourself fortunate if it doesn't happen 3 or 4 more times.
To: Sherman Logan
Its the worse case in the nation of the Feds stealing from the state and its residents. Actually third worst. Heres federal land ownership in the top 5 states. 1. Nevada 84.5% 2. Alaska 69.1% 3. Utah 57.4% 4. Oregon 53.1% 5. Idaho 50.2% Its also reasonable to point out that a great deal of the land in federal ownership in these states isnt very useful for any private purpose anyway.
Its the worse case in the nation of the Feds stealing from the state and its residents. Actually third worst. Heres federal land ownership in the top 5 states. 1. Nevada 84.5% 2. Alaska 69.1% 3. Utah 57.4% 4. Oregon 53.1% 5. Idaho 50.2% Its also reasonable to point out that a great deal of the land in federal ownership in these states isnt very useful for any private purpose anyway.
Not useful for anything? The government held lands (shown in black) in Alaska, Nevada, Oregon, and Utah are filled with lumber, silver, uranium, oil, natural gas, low sulfur coal, gold, etc... I can't speak for Idaho because I don't know much about it.
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posted on
03/29/2010 7:40:14 PM PDT
by
Tailback
To: JerseyHighlander
Let us remember that Clinton made a lot of Utah land into a monument. This land had a lot of coal in it. His friends, the Riady’s, happen to own a lot of coal. With the Utah coal off the market, the Riady’s made a lot of money.
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posted on
03/29/2010 7:41:56 PM PDT
by
Tymesup
To: Tailback
I said much, not all.
I’m most familiar with Utah.
Where there aren’t minerals much of the desert has little or no economic value. Can’t grow anything. You can run cattle on much of the land, but a good deal of it isn’t even usable in practical terms for that.
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posted on
03/29/2010 7:56:51 PM PDT
by
Sherman Logan
(It's the worse case in the nation of the Feds stealing from the state and it's residents.)
To: JerseyHighlander
All the Red states need to do this now. We have to fight back. Use the same tactics.
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posted on
03/29/2010 7:59:36 PM PDT
by
Frantzie
(McCain=Obama's friend. McCain called AMERICANS against amnesty - "racists")
To: JerseyHighlander
What? You mean everybody’s dogs don’t talk? Guess I better reevaluate my mini-pin.
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posted on
03/29/2010 7:59:56 PM PDT
by
pappyone
(New to Freep, still working a tag line.)
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