Posted on 03/30/2010 7:17:56 AM PDT by johnqueuepublic
Couldnt agree more on the point regarding Hutaree’s potential for criminality
From the article, “Though the charges against this group might well turn out to be sustainable and the threat they posed great and imminent, the mere fact of the timing of this raid is troubling...”
Our question at base level refers to timing, there are a zillion groups out there including hard line Muslim groups who are carrying out paramilitary training exercises all over America and if the decision was made any of them could be targeted, yet they havent been up until now.
When you examine the confluence of the Dem handling of criticism over the last months capped by this raid one would have to a foolish to ignore the potential.
Hopefull when the prosecution proceeds all such questions will be resolved by the presentation of evidence.
April 19 surely is a red letter date.
Oklahoma City bombing
Branch Davidions in Waco, Tx
Columbine School
They set off some kind of explosive during a training exercise while carrying firearms. Apparently that is a felony. Then, they uploaded it to YouTube.
The only thing suspicious to me is the media casting these thugs as right-wing. If they hated the government, I’d be surprised if they ever voted. The association is made merely because they had guns and some perverted view of Christianity.
The left always loves to bring up Oklahoma, there are a million conspiracy theories out there but McVeigh and Co. though motivated by an anti-government philosophy had no ties to a larger organization which preached violent revolution.
That is NOT the case with the left, which last century murdered at least 50 million people, probably closer to 100 million.
The real blood is on the hands of the left, pass it on.
Like this one, from yesterday?
http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/03/29/cantor.threat.arrest/?hpt=Sbin
No one is making the charge, at least no reasonable person stormer, that arresting bad guys is criminalizing political dissent.
However you cant be unmindful that a tremendous effort exists inside this admin to conflate dissent with potential violence.
You also cant ignore the fact - though it might be totally coincidental and of no import - that this bust took place at the end of a particularly alarming week considering the efforts by this admin and the dems to cast the right as violence prone Christian wingnuts.
IF this group targetted LEOs instead of muzzie training camps, they are idiots.
If they were after muzzie terrorists, they are being framed with these LEO charges because charging them with wanting to protect their country from terrorists would really PO the citizenry.
That's why the government fears the 'lone wolf'.
One of the biggest obstacles that we now have in front of us as citizens of our country, is that sources of "real news," not propaganda from the state media, is going to become more and more scarce. At this point the only source of any real news on what is happening is from trusted eyewitnesses that happen to be close/near to events, and a handful of people speaking the truth on the radio and Internet sites. Unfortunately, I fear that these few remaining sources will soon be shutdown, one way or another.
A bunch of dopes running around in the woods playing army isn’t really a big concern. People manufacturing explosives and planning to use them to achieve some political end is. Given the resources of the federal government, I would imagine that there are few groups not under some kind of scrutiny, and when there activities rise to the level of direct threat, action is taken.
No question.
People need to start sorting out law from political corectness. The left does not want us to be a nation of laws, but a nation of unilaterally leftist defined political correctness, ie fascism.
This policy has been created by government over a year ago. Jqnet Reno filed a DHS policy finding delineating the danger of right wing militants.She issued a public apology but the letist based finding was allowed to stand as policy at DHS. This FBI raid is a follow through.
Welcome to the second liberal fascist post-RENO/CLINTONION chapter on WACO and Ruby Ridge. They are getting smarter, Napolitano stayed out of it, but this was a joint DHS/FBI/BATF/ICE exercise. What a laugh. The spent over a million dollars chasing down a bunch of harmless yahoos in the Michigan woods as a political ploy against the right, trying t stem the tide of moderate voters now running away from the Obama Agenda. IT HAS FAILED.
The Hutaree seven , eight or nine didn't have enough resources to feed one extra cow, let alone hire their own lawyers, unlike those in Muslim paramilitary camps scattered around the country.Thats why the coward Holder attacked them.I doubt we will see any evidence of cop killing plans, outside of oral threats. If so, it was likely created by entrapment.
Bless those poor country folk . I hope they are well defended. They are innocent until proven guilty.
This time the government will meet far more egregious armed opposition. .They should stand down from the Holder / Napolitano initiatives against the so called right wing and chase down the Muslim training camps who are a source for international US based training fodder in Palkistan and Yemen.
Obama may not know it, but he and Holder are playing with a fire they will not be able to put out, once ignited. Declaring martial law and postponing elections will only make it worse. Patriots will not abide it.
I should have said CNN TV. The lead story most of yesterday was Michael Jackson’s doctor being arrested, and BREAKING UPDATES on those guys being arrested in Michigan.
I just checked the websites “video” section and it confirms that they have no video segments regarding the guy and his arrest.
It’s also why the Tea Party movement is driving them NUTS.
They can’t focus on “a leader” and demonize him or her ala Alinsky.
Yes. I want to see the presentation of real evidence that couldn't be manufactured by the government that this group constituted an immediate danger over and above the hundreds, if not thousands, of other 'threatening' groups out there, many of which are probably Muslim and/or left-wing.
And it needs to be physical evidence that couldn't be trumped up by the prosecution/government. I see the potential for the authorities identifying the weakest link in those arrested and turning that person to produce all kinds of damning details not supported by anything else. Plus the government clearly has an inside informant. What if this person actually produced all the 'plots' that were supposedly ginned up? How would the people who are arrested ever go about fighting that?
Spot on, and I hope that some of the more vocal second amendment rights folks would stop pouring out their moral outrage with their guns drawn (verbally or otherwise).
I hope that everyone sees how this plays into their game. They make us as crazy as loons listening to the lies, and yet, that is what they are just waiting for.
JQP, that used to be a reasonable expectation. Problem is now, no one can any longer expect to be presented with anything other than what is dictated. Unless someone is present in the courtroom throughout the trial, no one can expect to know what transpires. "Evidence" can be presented, but why should anyone any longer assume that it is not false evidence?
Regrettably things have devolved to the point where trust now has to be given very sparingly. This is a stark change from even 3 or 4 decades ago. Sure, there was propaganda, lying, and deception throughout history, but in the past, at least in this country, it was certainly far less prevalent than today. I know that this is very disturbing to many (myself included), and it is often hard for people to open their eyes and ears to what is happening. However, I think our only hope of surviving this onslaught and regaining control of our country and restoring the freedom and liberties that our Constitution provides to us, is for everyone to accept the fact that nothing presented by the MSM and government should ever be taken at face value, not without a huge grain of salt.
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