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To: for-q-clinton

Your argument makes no sense. Here’s why.

There is a legal definition of natural born that is different from native born. Natural born means that you are the child of parents who were born citizens of the USA and you were also born in the USA, or its territories. I think you could also be born to US citizens who were serving overseas in the employ of the US government.

Nobody knows for sure where (or when) Obama was born. He has a step grandmother in Kenya who claims that she was present at his birth in Kenya. There are/were Christian missionaries in Kenya who claim that they know he was born there.

His mother was enrolled and present at the University of Washington in Seattle 2 weeks after his supposed birth.

His “parents” never lived at the address on the bogus Hawaiian COLB that was posted on the Internet.

Nobody living seems to know when, or where, his parents were married. None of his classmates at the University of Hawaii seem to remember Obama’s mother at all. She was not a regular in their gatherings.

Hawaiian law at the time of his birth allowed a relative to request a Hawaiian birth certificate, even if the child was born elsewhere to Hawaiian parents. That law has been changed, but it was in effect until he was 2 years old.

He was listed as an Indonesian citizen and adopted by his stepfather as a small child.

Newspaper articles appeared when he was elected to the Senate touting him as the “first Kenyan to be elected to the US Senate”.

All of the aforementioned “witnesses” have been silenced, either by death, or by decree of the government.

If his father really was Barack Obama Sr., the marriage probably was illegal since US law does not recognize plural marriages.

The only way he could be a “natural born” citizen is if it turned out that Frank Marshall Davis was his father, but that would make his biography a lie.

DNA swab, anyone?

This is not as simplistic as some rogue nation declaring that Sarah Palin is now a citizen of their country and therefore ineligible. That argument is ludicrous.


42 posted on 03/31/2010 10:09:03 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic

My argument makes perfect sense to those claiming Obama was born in the US but of a british father so he acquired dual citizenship.

That’s the problem with “birthers” there are just so many arguments about why he isn’t qualified. Some make sense others don’t. If he was born in Kenya and we can prove it then yes he is ineligible. But if he’s born in the US but another country decided to give him citizenship (whether at birth or later in life) then it shouldn’t matter unless he took advantage of that citizenship (like applying for foreign student aid or travling on a visa from that country).


58 posted on 03/31/2010 11:29:01 AM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
Natural born means that you are the child of parents who were born citizens of the USA and you were also born in the USA, or its territories.

Not so. A parent, or parents, could have been naturalized. They do not have to be "native born." The requirement is that they are citizens at the time of birth.

I think you could also be born to US citizens who were serving overseas in the employ of the US government.

Also incorrect. A child of two American citizens, overseas, whether in the military of not, would become citizens via the naturalization process. Thousands upon thousands of military dependants born in germany, for example, have dual citizenship.

McCain, who was born in the Republic of Panama, has his very own statute in the US Code:

Sec. 303. [8 U.S.C. 1403] Persons born in the Canal Zone or the Republic of Panama on or after February 26, 1904

(b) Any person born in the Republic of Panama on or after February 26, 1904, and whether before or after the effective date of this Act, whose father or mother or both at the time of the birth of such person was or is a citizen of the United States employed by the Government of the United States or by the Panama Railroad Company, or its successor in title, is declared to be a citizen of the United States.

The easiest way to understand "natural born" citizen is this, if your citizenship depends on a statute, you are a citizen, but not a "natural born" citizen.

See Four Cases


80 posted on 03/31/2010 1:39:50 PM PDT by Beckwith (A "natural born citizen" -- two American citizen parents and born in the USA.)
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