Atom Smasher Could Reveal "The Beginning" "Huge Step Toward Unraveling Genesis Chapter 1"

CBS News ^ | 31 Mar 10 | AP

[allmendream]

Is God the creator of stars that form through nuclear fusion and gravity?

Do you assume that there was a different process involved in the creation of our Sun?

Is God the creator of human beings “from dust” that form via cellular processes involving DNA?

[Nosterrex]

Could is not is. As long as it is only a possibility and not a reality, it does not prove or disprove anything. It also does nothing to explain from where these particles originate. It may be, or could be, or hope to be meaningful a few centuries from now. Right now, the scientist found what they wanted to find. When you look at it from an objective point of view, they found nothing.

[allmendream]

I suppose if you don't really understand or care about what they found, they found nothing.

Particle physics brought us the atom bomb and nuclear power.

WHAT HAVE YOU DONE FOR ME LATELY EDDIE?!?!!?!?

[SunkenCiv]

• UPDATE: Restarted LHC Sees First Collisions
• Stacking the deck: Single photons observed at seemingly faster-than-light speeds
• Record-breaking collisions (Large Hadron Collider producing more mesons than expected)
• Physicists play Lego with photons
• 'Perfect' liquid hot enough to be quark soup
• Hottest temperature ever heads science to Big Bang
• Scientists Re-Create High Temperatures From Big Bang
• Origin of key cosmic explosions unraveled
• In Brookhaven Collider, Scientists Briefly Break a Law of Nature
• LHC Restarts This Week -- Half Power But Full of Potential
• From 2-trillion-degree heat, researchers create new matter -- and new questions
• German fails to prove atom-smasher will end world
• Record Set for Speedy Protons
• Geneva atom smasher sets record for beam energy
• Large Hadron Atom Smasher Reaches Near Speed of Light

[Nosterrex]

What did they find? I read the article, and if the intent was to determine the origin of the Big Bang, they did not do that. The atom bomb and nuclear power actually exist. They are not theoretical. Science is full of coulds and mays, but all too often scientist twist data to fit their own conclusions. How many times have we read where scientists claim to have made some astonishing discovery only to find out that they were wrong? Before I throw a party, I want to give it some time for peer review.

[allmendream]

Well skepticism is at the heart of the scientific method, but lets not throw out the baby with the bathwater.

Particle physics and knowing particle physics is, and has been of direct military and economic benefit to our society.

But it is the principle of the thing. Are we going to have the best and greatest particle accelerators here in the USA, or are we going to send our smartest physics graduate students to Europe?

In the immortal words of Robert (Bob) R. Wilson....

“It has only to do with the respect with which we regard one another, the dignity of men, our love of culture. It has to do with: Are we good painters, good sculptors, great poets? I mean all the things we really venerate in our country and are patriotic about. It has nothing to do directly with defending our country except to make it worth defending.”

[guitarplayer1953]

In Issiah it states that God made the heavens and the earth in their completed form. Just as God made man in his complete form from the earth. How many scientist can take dirt and make a living breathing thing out of it?

[allmendream]

Am I not created from dust?

Am I not also created from biological processes?

Is a star that forms through gravity and nuclear fusion any less created by God than one that done so by some unspecified means?

[guitarplayer1953]

You or should I say Adam was made from the ground and after that children were born yes though a biological process but not through evolution. And as far as stars go it is only a guess that they started from dust and gas fields. The bible says that they were made whole, that the heavens were stretched forth as curtain. And all of it will be rolled up like a scroll in the end.

[allmendream]

Stretched forth like a curtain doesn't preclude the Big Bang gravity and nuclear fusion being the mechanism behind the poetic “like a curtain”. “Like a curtain” isn't a predictable and calculable mechanism.

Yes, through a biological process, and yet the Bible says that we are ALL made by God of dust, and to dust we shall return. Was it more literal when talking of Adam and less literal when speaking of us?

[guitarplayer1953]

Yes, through a biological process

That is not what the bible says. Adam was created in full form as an adult you and I were not but the bible does say that God formed us and knew us in our mothers wombs.

[allmendream]

God created me in full form as an adult, he just did so by a process that took some thirty some years. Just because people don't believe the same things about the Bible that you do doesn’t mean they don't believe the Bible.

If you think the Big Bang precludes God rolling the heavens out like a curtain then I suppose that Physicists don't believe, but what they don't believe is what YOU believe, not that they don't believe the Bible.

[Captain Beyond]

LOL good one. :) bflr

[Nosterrex]

I would like to see America be the leader in all sciences, including particle physics. I am not by any means an expert on particle physics, and I am willing to accept the idea that I may not appreciate the importance of this new development in particle physics. Those in the field do seem elated over this. My experience over the years is that too often such claims have turned into hyperbole. To jump from this event to making predictions about finding alternate parallel universes is a huge jump.

[allmendream]

I agree that America should be the leader in all science fields, including particle physics as well.

Accounts that get published by journalists about science do tend to be oversold and/or long on hype and short on delivery.

Bob Wilson's point was that something need not directly contribute to Americas ‘bottom line’ economically or militarily to be a great endeavor that is worth doing and that makes our nation great. I agree.

[guitarplayer1953]

God created me in full form as an adult, he just did so by a process that took some thirty some years.

The bible says that God formed man from the clay. It does not say that He made a embryo and let it grow into a man. If you have a verse that says anything about thirty years please give. Other wise quite misquoting the bible and making up what you want to believe.

[allmendream]

You are making up a magical process when I don't understand where “from the dust” means an understandable process in one instance but necessitates a magical process in the “from the dust” in the other.

Is it more literal in one place and less literal in the other?

[guitarplayer1953]

Was it magical for God to speak and the worlds came into being? God can do as He wishes. It says that God formed man from the dust and breathed the breath of life into him.

[allmendream]

It need not be magical that by Gods thought and will, his word or logos, the heavens and the earth came into being. I don't see the necessity that it had to happen by magic.

The Bible says that I too am made from dust.

Is it metaphorical in one case but literal in the other? Why are physical processes allowed in one instance alongside the metaphoric “from dust”, but not the other?