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German troops kill five Afghan soldiers in Kunduz
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Posted on 04/03/2010 3:44:54 AM PDT by darkside321

German troops in northern Afghanistan have killed five Afghan soldiers, Nato has said.

The troops were in two civilian cars which did not heed warnings to stop as they drove up to German troops in Kunduz province, a Nato statement said.

The Nato forces are said to have been en route at the time to the scene of a clash with Taliban insurgents that left three German soldiers dead.

Germany has the third-largest foreign contingent in Afghanistan.

Nato's International Security Assistance Force (Isaf) said in a statement it regretted the loss of life in Friday evening's friendly fire incident.

The two unmarked civilian cars involved are thought to have been an Afghan National Army patrol en route to Kunduz city, Isaf said. The statement said: "Although the [Isaf] force attempted to stop the cars using a variety of methods, both vehicles continued to approach.

"The force eventually fired on the vehicles, killing at least five Afghan soldiers."

Earlier on Friday, three German soldiers died and a number were seriously wounded in a battle with Taliban insurgents in the province.

German military participation in Afghanistan has been deeply unpopular with the German public.

The German parliament voted in February to increase the contingent by up to 850 troops to a total of 5,350.

Dozens of Afghan civilians died last September in Kunduz when German commanders called in a Nato air strike on two hijacked fuel trucks, sparking a political furore in Berlin which continues.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.bbc.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Germany; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; enemy; germantroops; killed

1 posted on 04/03/2010 3:44:54 AM PDT by darkside321
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To: darkside321
German military participation in Afghanistan has been deeply unpopular with the German public.

Yes, they need to drop that foreign intervention crap and start blowing up some muslims in Germany.

2 posted on 04/03/2010 3:53:42 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Deathcare, a solution desperately looking for a problem.)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER
German military participation in Afghanistan has been deeply unpopular with the German public.

That's because in the old days they would have followed up by killing every man and boy over 12 in the town they came from and sending the women and girls to labor camps.

3 posted on 04/03/2010 4:58:59 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (The naked casuistry of the high priests of Warmism would make a Jesuit blush.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

No, it’s because they’ve been subjected to stupid comments like yours for 65 years.


4 posted on 04/03/2010 6:52:16 AM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: ozzymandus

Their ROE (rules of engagement) are worse than ours.This report doesn’t mention five Bundeswher soldiers were killed during the same time in a different engagement.


5 posted on 04/03/2010 8:28:03 AM PDT by mosesdapoet ("There's still no MSM mention of Obama's extravagant life style while millions are unemployed")
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To: ozzymandus

Correction
Their ROE (rules of engagement) are worse than ours. Respond only when fired upon .This report does mention three Bundeswher soldiers were killed but did not mention two seriously wounded during the same time in a different engagement.


6 posted on 04/03/2010 8:33:51 AM PDT by mosesdapoet ("There's still no MSM mention of Obama's extravagant life style while millions are unemployed")
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To: darkside321

This will surely be huge news in Germany. I believe this may well be the first actual combat German military have seen since 1945...


7 posted on 04/03/2010 9:23:17 AM PDT by AnalogReigns
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
That's because in the old days they would have followed up by killing...

And in America's old days we enslaved and lynched blacks...

The current German soldier from private to General had absolutely nothing to do with the Nazis--and Germany is as anti-Nazi today (at least) as America is.

How long do you hold a people responsible for the sins of their ancestors?

8 posted on 04/03/2010 9:27:39 AM PDT by AnalogReigns
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To: darkside321

I don’t care who you are, if you drive up to road block manned by armed soldiers and don’t take every warning seriously, you probably deserve what you get.


9 posted on 04/03/2010 9:27:47 AM PDT by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: AnalogReigns

As far as i know the total death toll of german soldiers in afghanistan is now 39.
But you are correct at least politicians will try to downplay any combat situation. You know when you spent years of brainwashing your own citizens that the military is only there to plaster and hug little kids some people
start to believe you, so it´s difficult to admit that they still will have to fight. As far as i know they don´t even dare to call the situation in afganistan a war.
Normaly if you see reports about afghanistan in german
tv you will never see german troops fighting.
I only found one video (which comes somehow close to a firefight)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfDUSp615wQ

and this was only reported because no german
Tv station was involved. So i´m shure fighting happens.
But they will never show it to the public.

greetings


10 posted on 04/03/2010 9:37:00 AM PDT by darkside321
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I hope the Germans read them their reichs before they killed 'em.

Leni

11 posted on 04/03/2010 9:44:12 AM PDT by MinuteGal (Bill O'Reilly: 9/8/09: "Communism is not a threat to us anymore"-10/20/09: "Obama is not a Marxist")
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To: AnalogReigns

I wouldn’t be comparing America to Nazis.


12 posted on 04/03/2010 9:57:20 AM PDT by ansel12 ( Why are the non "social conservative" Republicans so unconservative?)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
That's because in the old days they would have followed up by killing every man and boy over 12 in the town they came from and sending the women and girls to labor camps.

No, that was the benign and peace loving Jewish population, not the murderous raping muslim barbarians they have now.

13 posted on 04/03/2010 10:48:52 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Deathcare, a solution desperately looking for a problem.)
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To: ozzymandus

Tell it to my grandmother’s sister who, along with 3 children, including a year old baby, was butchered by SS troops in a small town in Belarus. She was Jewish and a wife of a Red Army officer. Double jeopardy for her.

As far as I am concerned, Germany should not be allowed to develop nationalistic and/or pan-Germanic tendencies for a long, long time. Last two times they did we had to fight 2 bloody world wars.


14 posted on 04/03/2010 2:08:55 PM PDT by JadeEmperor
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To: AnalogReigns
The current German soldier from private to General had absolutely nothing to do with the Nazis--and Germany is as anti-Nazi today (at least) as America is.
At the end of WWII there were quite a few ex-Nazis in the government of Konrad Adenauer in the military and intelligence positions. At the time their expertise was needed to face the Soviet threat. I don't know how many "good old boy" networks that they very probably built into the military/intelligence actually survive today and if they were/are able to recruit, but I've heard from people living in Germany today, that ever since the reunification the German text books have been getting ever slightly more and more apologetic about their role in WWII and the whole 4-th Reich thing. I understand they are getting tired of the whole "German guilt" thing by now, but they should never again be allowed to obsess with the whole pan-Germanic identity again. The current generation of Germans should not be held directly responsible for the sins of their ancestors, unless they start to walk the same path again.
15 posted on 04/03/2010 2:27:35 PM PDT by JadeEmperor
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To: ansel12

I was comparing Germans to Americans. We both have national sins in our past. Get over it.


16 posted on 04/03/2010 4:49:20 PM PDT by AnalogReigns
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

Or French or Polish or Czech or Russian or ...


17 posted on 04/03/2010 4:50:04 PM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (The naked casuistry of the high priests of Warmism would make a Jesuit blush.)
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To: AnalogReigns; ozzymandus
I agree I am being a lot more than a little unfair to modern Germans, but modern Germans seem almost immune to irony. When I was stationed with the Army in Germany, I remember reading in the German press (and repeated in Stars and Stripes) German griping about GIs and the Army. (Gee, why don't we treat them like they treated the countries they occupied, I thought.)

I read in a recent poll that Germans picked Copernick as one of the 100 most important Germans of all time, even though their grandparents would have considered his descendants to be Untermenschen. (Though a Canon at the Cathedral at Frombork (Frauenberg) he did have descendants with his housekeeper, much to the chagrin of his bishop.) Ditto, in spades for Einstein, also one of history's 100 most important Germans, though the German Consul in New York warned him not to return to Berlin in 1933, telling him that mobs would drag him through the street by the hair.

18 posted on 04/04/2010 7:05:45 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (The naked casuistry of the high priests of Warmism would make a Jesuit blush.)
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To: AnalogReigns

The comparison of the Nazis to anything in American history shows a complete lack of historical perspective or scale. Get over it.


19 posted on 04/04/2010 7:07:22 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (The naked casuistry of the high priests of Warmism would make a Jesuit blush.)
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To: JadeEmperor

WW1 had very different reasons than WW2 and several nations were responsible for it. France not the least.


20 posted on 04/04/2010 11:21:17 AM PDT by avid (Please consider the environmental impact of not printing this posting!)
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