Posted on 04/05/2010 3:13:26 PM PDT by wagglebee
Obviously he uses his own criteria and superior knowledge of the “big picture” which the sheep have no clue about.
So much more so for the INFINITE Creator of space and time Who knows the End from the Beginning.
Somebody using your account made post #62. If that wasn’t you, you’re complaining to the wrong person. Tell Jim and the moderators. If it was you, stop pretending you didn’t say it.
Some have not thought about or do not like the notion that God is above the creation and is its Judge.
They really haven’t dealt with what a God is.
That “Judge” part is what they avoid at all costs.
When you contemplate God’s perfection, and His ultimate nature, and how you so disasterously fail to measure up to that... well, it’s obvious that you’re hopeless...
But, He took care of that with a Gift given freely.
So, you consider conservatives to be "vile"?
As for anarchist, think what you like, though I’m not an arnarchist, I’m an independent individualist.
Call it whatever you want, but a person who opposes ALL law is an anarchist.
Is name calling and false accusation a new Christian virtue. Has “though shalt not bear false witness” been revoked. I didn’t know.
You have said that you oppose any laws against abortion, how is it false witness to point this out?
I have argued with liberals that attempt the same thing.
It’s very frustrating when you’re the party involved,
but amusing when observing as a third party.
You repeat back exactly the position that the liberal has stated, and they demand that you stop “putting words in their mouth” and misrepresenting what they said.
What they get all bent out of shape about is when you go to the next stage of thinking beyond their asserted position. When you point out the logical consequences of their assertion, they deny that they asserted to cause of that consequence...
amusing, and frustrating
My opposition to abortion is not going to be on the same grounds as any of yours, because yours are religious. I do not think you even get that right, but that’s just my opinion.
I object to putting something so personal and private in the hands of the government. Beyond that I’m fully in agreement with all or your objections to abortion, just not the grounds.
I do have two questions, however. If you believe God opposes abortion, why did God so often require His people to slaughter women with their babies?
The other question is, if God opposes abortion, why doesn’t he use His power to force people not to have them?
Answer if you like, and if you can. This invitation is to anyone.
Hank
The whole argument that a fetus isn't a human being is specious and duplicitous. A fetus created by two humans cannot be anything other than a human infant, just as a fetus created by two dogs cannot be anything other than a puppy, and on, and on...
A fetus in the womb develops in human form. Just because it still nurtures from it's mother's body doesn't mean it isn't a human form. It simply hasn't been born physically as yet. It is a developing human. Hank, your argument is void of reason. Sorry, but that's a fact.
Secondly, your argument against government intervention into abortion is specious because it mirrors government intervention protecting abortion; which we already have and you are apparently comfortable with.
What you're missing here, and what I mentioned last night, is that our argument doesn't center around government intervention. It's all about right and wrong. The horn of the dilemma is, that we'll never achieve some modicum of right vs. wrong without some modicum of government intervention. So, we choose to side with the form of intervention that protects the womb and the fetus.
Your questions have already been answered, by multiple people.
You either are too obtuse to understand the answers,
or without the benefit of the Holy Spirit,
the truth is hidden from you.
Your "opposition" to abortion is identical to every liberal politician who is "personally opposed, but."
And as far as religion, on this very thread YOU have tried to say that the Bible doesn't consider abortion to be murder.
I object to putting something so personal and private in the hands of the government.
So, murder is "personal" and the government should stay out of it?
I do have two questions, however. If you believe God opposes abortion, why did God so often require His people to slaughter women with their babies?
Listening to atheists mangle the Bible to justify their agenda is quite amusing.
The other question is, if God opposes abortion, why doesn’t he use His power to force people not to have them?
By your logic, God must also be in favor of all other forms of murder, rape, armed robbery, arson, etc.
Err...ah...if you say so!
Hank
Atheists DO have a real problem with explaining the existance of evil.
But then again, why does an ATHEIST have any problem with the concept of “evil”? Reality just “is”.
Delighted you are amused, but I'm willing to let the Bible speak for itself.
Since all these killings were at God's command, and since killing all the people in a city is certainly going to include some women, "with child," wouldn't that include the killing of the unborn?
But of the cities of these people, which the Lord they God doth give thee for an inheritance, though shalt save alive nothing that breatheth, but thou shalt utterly destroy them; namely, the hittites, and the Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites, as the Lord they God hath commanded thee. [Deut. 20:16&17]
And the Lord said unto Joshua, fear not, neither be thou dismayed. Take all the people of war with thee, and arise, go up to Ai ... And it came to pass, when Israel had ceased slaying all the inhabitants of Ai in the field, in the wilderness in which they chased them, and when they were all fallen on the edge of the sword, until they were consumed, that all the Israelites returned unto Ai, and smote it with the edge of the sword. And so it was that all that fell that day, both of men and women, were twelve thousand, even all the men of Ai. For Joshua drew not his had back, with which he stretched out the spear, until he had utterly destroyed all the inhabitants of Ai. [Joshua 8:1,24-26]
And that day Joshu took Makkedah and smote it with the edge of the sword, and its king he utterly destroy, them, and all the souls that were in it; he let none remain ... [Joshua 10:28]
So Joshua smote all the country of the hills, and of the Negev, and of the Shephelah, and of the srings, and all their kings; he left none remaining, but utterly destroyed all that breathed as the Lord God of Israel commanded. [Joshua 10:40] Thus saith the Lord of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt. Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and sucking, ox and sheep, camel and ass. [I Samuel 15:3]
Apparently, the God of the Bible is not too squeamish about the death of the unborn, or anyone or anything else, it would seem.
"'The other question is, if God opposes abortion, why doesn’t he use His power to force people not to have them?'
By your logic, God must also be in favor of all other forms of murder, rape, armed robbery, arson"
Well that's not my logic. You thought that up all by yourslef. Very strange way to think.
But you didn't answer the question. Perhaps you can't.
Hank
Hank, you are a long time poster here, but arguments like that make you look like a DU Troll.
This is a pro-life website. JR has made that quite clear. If you are not a pro-life conservative, and you do not value the life of the unborn, then perhaps you should consider posting elsewhere.
So, you DO believe that God condones abortion?
You wrote:
The other question is, if God opposes abortion, why doesn’t he use His power to force people not to have them?
To which I responded:
By your logic, God must also be in favor of all other forms of murder, rape, armed robbery, arson, etc.
And now you say:
Well that's not my logic. You thought that up all by yourslef[sic]. Very strange way to think.
How is that NOT your logic? Your logic is that if God doesn't stop something it's because He doesn't oppose it. That logic is plain to any logical person reading your post.
Gen 49:25 by the God of your father who will help you, by the Almighty who will bless you with blessings of heaven above, blessings of the deep that crouches beneath, blessings of the breasts and of the womb.
Job 1:21 And he said, "Naked I came from my mother's womb, and naked shall I return. The LORD gave, and the LORD has taken away; blessed be the name of the LORD."
Job 31:15 Did not he who made me in the womb make him? And did not one fashion us in the womb?
Psa 17:14 from men by your hand, O LORD, from men of the world whose portion is in this life. You fill their womb with treasure; they are satisfied with children, and they leave their abundance to their infants.
Psa 71:6 Upon you I have leaned from before my birth; you are he who took me from my mother's womb. My praise is continually of you.
Psa 127:3 Behold, children are a heritage from the LORD, the fruit of the womb a reward.
Psa 139:13 For you formed my inward parts; you knitted me together in my mother's womb.
Ecc 11:5 As you do not know the way the spirit comes to the bones in the womb of a woman with child, so you do not know the work of God who makes everything.
Isa 44:2 Thus says the LORD who made you, who formed you from the womb and will help you: Fear not, O Jacob my servant, Jeshurun whom I have chosen.
Isa 46:3 "Listen to me, O house of Jacob, all the remnant of the house of Israel, who have been borne by me from before your birth, carried from the womb;
God bears us from before our birth and blesses us in the womb. Do you honestly believe he considers abortion something other than murder?
Can you explain how the commandment can prohibit murder but God tells David to slay all, even women and children?
I suggest you ask God of His will. After all, the Bible teaches that His ways are a mystery to us. But God brought death into the World because of our transgressions. So, for God to tell David to slay all, it is part of God's plan, and who are we to queston, or judge? It's we who are prohibited from taking the life of another. And that is exactly what abortion is.
See?
That’s a perfect example of what I posted to you before.
You take their EXACT WORDS, and go to the next logical step,
and they deny the EXACT WORDS.
Liberals - immune to logic.
As CS Lewis said, the Christian worldview is the only worldview that makes logical sense of the world.
Atheist LOVE evil. Atheism is responsible for nearly ONE AND A HALF BILLION DEATHS in the past century.
My point was, there should be no concept of good or evil for an atheist. What is the standard?
Keep in mind that Hank has already dismissed conservatism as "vile".
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