Posted on 04/05/2010 3:13:26 PM PDT by wagglebee
And this is the crux of the matter. The pro-abortion side has for years argued that the fetus is not a human being, the very argument you are using here.
A fetus is indeed a human being. It is living and growing and genetically the baby's DNA identifies it as a human being.
If you call the fetus not human, you are left with two problems. One is what IS it then? A dog? A cow? A fish? It doesn't magically turn into a human being upon passage through the birth canal.
The other is that it devalues the life and worth of the fetus. Murder is the killing of another human being. By declaring it *not human* then aborting it is not murder and can be justified legally.
While you keep saying that you oppose abortion, every argument you've been using is from the hard left pro-choice side.
It’s late and I’m tired. I’m not your enemy, I just disagree with you, and think what you want will ultimately produce the opposite of what you seek. Government is not the solution, as Ronald Regan said, “government is the problem.”
You will not like this, but please consider it:
http://usabig.com/iindv/articles_stand/soccult/abortion.php
If you do not like it, just make sure your dislike is rational, not emotional. Truth is truth, no matter how we feel about it.
Hank
But since God doesn’t prevent abortions
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Ah yes He does...
God has ruled on abortion...
His verdict is...
THOU SHALT NOT KILL ..Exodus 20:13
Hollywood said it best!!!
So you would turn her from an unwilling victim to a willing accomplise in the murder of her own unborn child...
make someone else a victim so she feels better...
Make her a perp so her suffering and victim days will end
Typical libertarian *rationalization* (for lack of a better word). They think that when the government rules the way that they think it should, that's lack of government interference, regardless of whether it really is. They demand things like the government not define marriage as between one man and one woman and what they fail to realize is that by doing that, the government ends up defining marriage as anything goes.
Likewise, they claim that the government legalizing abortion messes with the fate of the child, but by legalizing it, it determines the fate of the child.
As another FReeper once said...."Libertines want their immoral world view forced on everyone else, in the false name of “freedom”."
Apparently you do not believe what you defend is the truth, else you would not tell the lie that a fetus is [sic] and infant.What say you, is a child before birth yet a child?
And your demands that the government mind its own business will result in anarchy, which will inevitably lead to tyranny.
The government not taking action to protect its citizens is every bit as bad as the government dictating to all its citizens what they must do.
But the whole issue with abortion is that abortion is the murder of a human being, a human being that the government is obligated to protect. Allowing certain classes of people to murder other certain classes of people, puts one more at the mercy of the government than anything you are accusing us of.
“An infant has been born, and fetus has not. I think even you can understand that.”
The Bible speaks several places in regards to the sanctity of the womb. Psalm 139:13 says:
“For thou didst form my inward parts, thou didst knit me together in my mother’s womb.”
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“An infant has been born, and fetus has not. I think even you can understand that.”
God tells Isaiah that He formed him from the womb too:
Isaiah 44:24: Thus says the LORD, your Redeemer, who formed you from the womb: “I am the LORD, who made all things, who stretched out the heavens alone, who spread out the earth — Who was with me?
Excellent point. Rape is wrong and so is incest. But does that mean that the baby is wrong? What is the baby's status in front of God?
But what about the cases of horrifically damaged fetuses?
My mother was an RN in a GP's office in the days when they did everything. She shared some stories with me. Basically, they did their best to allow the child to be born alive and then evaluated the child at that point. There was one child that she told me about that was born without a brain that they simply held and comforted and fed water for a few hours until she died. She was never alone, not for a single moment. The child was buried in a Catholic cemetary after having received baptism and last rites with as much honour as any priest or bishop.
The children that even looked remotely like they could live at all were taken to the best care that our city could give them. And there were some great success stories that came out of it. My cousin was 1 pound 2 oz at birth and now he is a very successful farmer, for instance. My opinion, for whatever it's worth.
If it were possible to completely assess our genome we would find that we are all descended from a rape and incest victim. Abortion in these cases creates yet another victim.
Indeed.
MY neighbors adopted son was the offspring of an assault.
Great kid. Glad he didn’t die for the sins of his father.
You can argue the morality of it as far as you want, and I doubt I’d disagree with you.
But, this isn’t a theocracy. How far would you want govt getting into that issue? I’d hope for the best but I’m not sure I’d want the govt to be the enforcer.
Govt, like fire, is a dangerous tool and a fearful master.
“And your demands that the government mind its own business will result in anarchy, which will inevitably lead to tyranny.”
In all of history this has never happened. If you can provide even one example of when government “minded its own business” led to tyranny, please do so.
Abortion is not murder of a human being, and if that spurious argument is the only one you have against abortion, you have no argument at all. Abortion is wrong, but not for reasons you hold. So long as those are your only arguments the pro-abortionists will win.
Hank
I’m planning to ping this article and some more, just wasted today after getting ready for his trip, little sleep for days...
Can’t gather brains together to ping. Should just crawl up to bed.
A theocracy is a government ruled by religious hierarchy. A government informed by moral absolutes is not a theocracy. Any government that is not founded on the moral absolutes that are generally universal in all religious is a gov like Communist China, Communist Russia, Zimbabwe or any other tribe ruled by a war chief.
“If you can provide even one example of when government “minded its own business”...
Can you? What era, what gubnmint do you hold as your ideal?
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