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To: fightinJAG
I agree with your theories with the downstream effects of Federalism...wholeheartedly.

My point is that I don't believe...or rather, I fear, that Federalism has little chance of gaining a foothold in the first place, given the divided nature of the populace.

We see these first little "green shoots" of Federalism with the state's lawsuits in opposition to the healthcare debacle, gun rights, etc. If those take root (pardon the pun), we may be able to save this union and your propositions may have the opportunity to bear fruit. However, those lawsuits may also be merely a band-aid on an amputation, if further steps are not taken. And finally, those lawsuits may be the death knell of this once-great country if they fail to result in a return to Federalism. Remember this battle is not taking place in a vacuum, the other side will be fighting each of these steps tooth and nail.

Is that enough mixed metaphors? :o)

180 posted on 04/06/2010 8:56:12 AM PDT by Axeslinger (Where has my country gone?)
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To: Axeslinger
Yes, I don't think we'll ever get a return to federalism from the ground up. Not really. "Green shoots" will never be allowed to grow strong enough to crowd out the weeds.

However, if we could have green shoots PLUS a couple of really strong rulings at the SCOTUS (building on what the Court had to do to preserve the Constitution against FDR's New Deal and communism), maybe one or two states could break free.

I think if we could just get one or two states to lead the way -- for example, Virgina -- people would voluntarily start to redistribute themselves according to how they viewed forced redistribution of wealth. It then has the chance to become a self-perpetuating cycle. The downward cycle is self-perpetuating if not forcefully stopped. But so is the upward cycle.

As soon as the States have more freedom, however they get it (hopefully, peaceably through SCOTUS knocking back the onslaught), that freedom will itself increase our ability to fight socialism.

And finally, those lawsuits may be the death knell of this once-great country if they fail to result in a return to Federalism. Remember this battle is not taking place in a vacuum, the other side will be fighting each of these steps tooth and nail.

The stakes are indeed incredibly high. But if we can win a way for the States to return to federalism, at least the follow-on battles will take place in the states. And, more importantly, people would have a place to go. Right now, as Ronald Reagan, we are the last stand on Earth. There is nowhere to flee to. We are the place where our forefathers fled to find freedom.

The key here is not so much saving America from socialism (as much as we need and want to do that). It's about preserving the union by allowing the roughly 50% that want socialism to live in socialist states and the roughly 50% that don't to live in free states.

Right now half the country is miserable every time there is a party change -- and Obambi is making this much worse by playing up racialism and teaching that to a whole new generation. Unless conservatives have a place to go (free states), it simply will not be able to withstand the socialist tipping point forever.

181 posted on 04/06/2010 9:38:10 AM PDT by fightinJAG (Next up: Forced public transportation:because it's not "affordable" unless we all have to use it.)
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