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States not using new tobacco tax for prevention (Surprise Surprise.. NOT!)
Reuters on Yahoo ^ | 4/8/10 | JoAnne Allen

Posted on 04/08/2010 11:01:35 AM PDT by NormsRevenge

WASHINGTON (Reuters) – Fourteen states and the District of Columbia raised cigarette taxes in 2009, but none of the new money went to programs to cut smoking and prevent tobacco-related disease, U.S. health officials said on Thursday.

Higher cigarette taxes can substantially curb smoking but states can make an even bigger dent by investing the new funds in programs to help people quit, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said.

"None of the 15 states dedicated any of the new excise tax revenue by statute to tobacco control," lead author Karen Debrot of the CDC's Office on Smoking and Health wrote.

Tobacco use is the leading cause of preventable death in the United States, causing nearly one in five deaths per year, according to the CDC.

All 50 states and Washington, D.C., have cigarettes taxes.

The national average state cigarette tax rose from $1.18 per pack in 2008 to $1.34 per pack in 2009, the CDC said in its weekly report on death and disease.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: laywers; prevention; smokers; smoking; states; tobaccotax; trial

1 posted on 04/08/2010 11:01:35 AM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge

how much $ was actually left after theft by trial lawyers?


2 posted on 04/08/2010 11:05:40 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB ( FIRE STUPAK: LindaForCongress.com)
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To: NormsRevenge
They are making so much money per pack I'm surprised they don't fund smoking encouragement programs to get more people on the taxable habit.
3 posted on 04/08/2010 11:08:29 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Obamacare: The 2010 version of the Intolerable Acts.)
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To: KarlInOhio

Obama’s doing his part,but the man can only do so much.


4 posted on 04/08/2010 11:12:13 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB ( FIRE STUPAK: LindaForCongress.com)
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To: NormsRevenge

cigarette taxes are enacted so hypocritically.
raise taxes, put money into general fund. say taxes will help fill a budget shortfall. act surprized when they end up with a budget deficit becuase tax money never came in because people quit. raise taxes to cover next year’s shortfall. rinse. repeat.
then they continue to use larger number in counting budget income, then limit places where people can smoke. and again, act surprized when the taxes don’t come in.


5 posted on 04/08/2010 11:15:41 AM PDT by absolootezer0 (2x divorced, tattooed, pierced, harley hatin, meghan mccain luvin', smoker and pit bull owner..what?)
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To: NormsRevenge
States not using new tobacco tax for prevention

Why would they do that when there are votes to buy?

6 posted on 04/08/2010 11:19:50 AM PDT by Drill Thrawl (Another day, another injury, another step closer. Are you prepared?)
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To: NormsRevenge

As far as I’ve been able to tell, the states have never used the cigarette taxes for what they said they would. Once politicians get your money in their greedy little hands, they’ll use it for whatever they darn well please.


7 posted on 04/08/2010 11:19:51 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: NormsRevenge
They were given the money with no strings....so duh....of course they did what they wanted...why do you think it went through that way.

Footnote: Here in NY, Paterson used the 2010 stimulus money to balance the budget...Of course, welfare payments went up...courtesy of ordinary working folks....but no new taxes for us...yeh right....they numbered 90+ either new or raised...

8 posted on 04/08/2010 11:34:28 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (What)
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To: NormsRevenge

States are still spending like drunken sailors. However, there is a benefit to the tobacco taxes. Due to the law of supply and demand, less people (particularly kids) are smoking. That’s a good thing.


9 posted on 04/08/2010 11:37:38 AM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

Up until the late unpleasantness, the tobacco “settlement” was the largest transference of wealth in US history, iirc. Probably was the seed-corn for the late unpleasantness, who knows. We were a lot better off when tobacco companies could advertise on TV, but lawyers couldn’t.

I was wondering when people would start to pay attention, maybe when the jobs were outsourced, the push for state lotteries was sweetened with the claim that revenues would go “for schools and state parks”. Yeah.... righhhhht.


10 posted on 04/08/2010 11:41:51 AM PDT by Freedom4US
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To: NormsRevenge; CSM; Eric Blair 2084; Madame Dufarge; metesky

In the NE and West Coast, and many other parts of the country, the retail price includes a 2/3 combined state and FedZilla tax.

Now, conceivably, the tax could reach well over 100%.

But, seems to me, that cow has been milked.

Now, all you citizen subjects Nanny State Butt Worshippers who drooled and frothed and cackling gleefully, rubbed your hands in virtual sexual anticipation of the hammer being lowered on smokers in form of bans and over the taxes imposed on the new *iggers of America, what say you?

Tax your soda? VAT up the wazoo? Thermostat taxes?
Your QuarterPounder? Your hotdog? Mileage fees? Road use fees? Garbage fees?

The list is unending.


11 posted on 04/08/2010 11:42:07 AM PDT by swarthyguy (KIDS! - Deficit, Debt,- Pfft! Lookit the bright side of our legacy - Ummrika is almost SmokFrei!)
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To: Freedom4US

Funny, one vice is demonized and the other, gambling is considered AOK with states like MA envisioning state managed gambling compounds, not to mention the TVKeno lottery and the myriad of others......


12 posted on 04/08/2010 11:44:04 AM PDT by swarthyguy (KIDS! - Deficit, Debt,- Pfft! Lookit the bright side of our legacy - Ummrika is almost SmokFrei!)
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To: NormsRevenge
The states don't want people to quit smoking. If nobody smoked they'd have to find somewhere else to get that money from. Not that they aren't always looking.

If they tried forcing us to quit I'd probably start smoking again in defiance.

13 posted on 04/08/2010 11:45:52 AM PDT by jerri (Is it over yet?)
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To: NormsRevenge

Oh, you mean idealism did not prevail? Why, this could mean..... NO! It’s possible that global warming taxes would not be spend ont global warming idealism! How inhumane, How cruel. Oh, the inhumanity of it all!


14 posted on 04/08/2010 11:50:26 AM PDT by arrdon (Never underestimate the stupidity of the American Voter.)
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To: NormsRevenge

I quit last Sept. screw their taxes.


15 posted on 04/08/2010 11:54:35 AM PDT by briarbey b (There is nothing new under the sun.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Cigarettes no.

Pipes and cigars yes.

Don’t tar moderate tobacco users with the same brush as cigarette addicts — not that I really blame them, because smoking can be quite pleasurable.

But in all these years of public debate over second-hand smoke, etc. never once have I heard the word “moderation.”

With leftist neo-puritans, it’s all or nothing.

Take that Sasieni Four-Dot out of your mouth! From now on you’re going to have to restrict your pleasures to liberal-approved things, like any kind of perverted sex you can dream up.

This whole controversy about tobacco and, now, fattening foods is really just a campaign of leftist brainwashing, although probably more because of media groupthink than any cabal.

What better way to mess with people’s minds than insisting they will die miserably if they continue with old-fashioned indulgences like a piece of pie or an after-dinner cigar?

I know Ayn Rand isn’t every Freeper’s cup of tea — she really isn’t mine, truth to tell. But I remember one passage from “Atlas Shrugged” where a character explains that one of the keys to preparing the sheeple for a statist future is to keep them in a state of generalized misery about their lives.

Health scare stories have been a staple of the popular press for a long time. But as I recall from growing up in the 60s and 70s, the noise level was relatively tolerable compared to today.

Now, you turn on the tube, and all you hear is this broken record repeating “diet and exercise, diet and exercise.”

Here’s news: I don’t care whether the message is true or not. People don’t like being talked down to. People don’t like being nagged. People don’t like being lectured that their lives as s**t and they are s**t.

I’m not saying that the constant din of health scare news is some kind of conspiracy.

Groupthink can accomplish a lot more than any conspiracy, because you have built-in deniability.

Having worked in the media for 25 years, I know what most of these people are like. They may be trying to herd the sheeple, but they are mostly sheeple themselves.

-30-


16 posted on 04/08/2010 11:56:58 AM PDT by Colonel Blimp (Austriae Est Imperare Orbi Universo)
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To: swarthyguy

It gets better. Smoking is outlawed in “public” places like bars, but casinos are exempt. Otis Campbell (a bar in SE Iowa) sued for redress, arguing that he isn’t being treated fairly or equally under the law.

The court basically said, “we get a lot of money from the casinos, so it’s OK.” But of course they couch it in pseudo-intellectual babble to try and confuse the mouthbreathers. Bad cess to them.


17 posted on 04/08/2010 11:57:47 AM PDT by Freedom4US
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To: Drango

States are still spending like drunken sailors. However, there is a benefit to the tobacco taxes. Due to the law of supply and demand, less people (particularly kids) are smoking. That’s a good thing.
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WHY is it a good thing? People have enjoyed smoking for years..they enjoy it. What is it with people who can’t stand to see anyone enjoy something. I promise you it won’t add a single year to your life that anyone has quit and it is not our business to police our neighbors or to try and control them!! LOOK how brain washed people in this country have become....it HORRIBLE!! No I don’t smoke...I quit because I am to bull headed to pay the tax but I RESENT that kind of control...it is NOT AMERICAN!!!


18 posted on 04/08/2010 11:58:27 AM PDT by briarbey b (There is nothing new under the sun.)
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To: Freedom4US

Of course, the argument of a “level playing field” was used in MA years ago (2004, the same year the SJC and Romney legalised gay marriage! -Marry a fag, don’t smoke one) when some towns banned it, and others did not, causing smokers to go to bars and clubs that allowed it.

But, the law is not a loaf of bread, if you want consistency, buy bread.


19 posted on 04/08/2010 12:00:49 PM PDT by swarthyguy (KIDS! - Deficit, Debt,- Pfft! Lookit the bright side of our legacy - Ummrika is almost SmokFrei!)
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To: Drango

>>particularly kids) are smoking.

Well, then, who will replenish the coffers of the SCHIP program, health care for kids that smokers are funding.

Oh, Obamacare. But, you think they’ll get rid of the SCHIP Tax on smokes?


20 posted on 04/08/2010 12:02:12 PM PDT by swarthyguy (KIDS! - Deficit, Debt,- Pfft! Lookit the bright side of our legacy - Ummrika is almost SmokFrei!)
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To: swarthyguy

But that’s what they planned all along.

When I would point out to one of the adherents that any bar was free to declare itself a non-smoking bar, they would get confused. What was stopping a bar or restaurant owner from doing this voluntarily?

No, the problem is people who make a hobby of using government as a sort of club or bludgeon to enforce their hobby on everyone else. They talk about “choice” and freedom and fairness, but deep down they don’t want any part of it. The economic damage is incalcuble. And in the end (these are temporary measures folks) people will shrug and say “FU” and light up anyway. That’s what happens to law and order and the rule of law when the government itself starts breaking laws — how could anyone expect anything different?


21 posted on 04/08/2010 12:06:45 PM PDT by Freedom4US
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To: briarbey b
...it is not our business to police our neighbors or to try and control them...

If you say so. I say that ALL conservatives should be concerned that twelve-year-olds are having babies, fifteen-year-olds are shooting one another, seventeen-year-olds dying of AIDS, eighteen-year-olds graduating with diplomas they cannot read, and kids are becoming addicted to cigarettes.

In short it is our business.

22 posted on 04/08/2010 12:07:26 PM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: Drango

Well Said.

Now as a conservative, would you say that there is any human activity outside the government’s bailiwick?

You want to stop Teenage pregnancy?

Mandatory abortions if you’re under 21 and without a job, husband or some other stipulation.

Teenagers with AIDS?

Enforce strict sexual guidelines - mandatory tests for sexual activity with financial penalties on parents for kids who indulge.

15 year olds shooting one another?

BAN GUNS.

18 year olds unable to read?

Keep ‘em in school till they can. More money for schools and teachers.

Utopian, eh?


23 posted on 04/08/2010 12:12:50 PM PDT by swarthyguy (KIDS! - Deficit, Debt,- Pfft! Lookit the bright side of our legacy - Ummrika is almost SmokFrei!)
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To: swarthyguy

I take it you aren’t concerned. Oh well.


24 posted on 04/08/2010 12:15:28 PM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: Freedom4US

Here in MA, many had already putting out ashtrays unless you asked and were reluctantly handed one.

I never understood the mania and enthusiams for mandates.

Let each bar decide. I mean, these were bars and nightclubs, the restaurants had had smoking banned a long time prior - like 92 or so.

Canaries, that what smokers were.

Now, everyone will be treated as a smoker!


25 posted on 04/08/2010 12:15:44 PM PDT by swarthyguy (KIDS! - Deficit, Debt,- Pfft! Lookit the bright side of our legacy - Ummrika is almost SmokFrei!)
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To: Drango

Dodged my questions, eh?

IS there any human activity that does not fall under the government’s bailiwick?

You gonna answer or just shimmyshammy crawfish all over?

And yes, I do not care. If the solution to the foibles and vagaries of human nature is increased state control, then I go with human nature.

Americans used to consider that liberty and freedom.

Obviously not important enough anymore.


26 posted on 04/08/2010 12:19:01 PM PDT by swarthyguy (KIDS! - Deficit, Debt,- Pfft! Lookit the bright side of our legacy - Ummrika is almost SmokFrei!)
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To: swarthyguy
And yes, I do not care

We knew.

27 posted on 04/08/2010 12:29:13 PM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: Drango

Another dodge.

Slippery, aren’t you?


28 posted on 04/08/2010 12:32:58 PM PDT by swarthyguy (KIDS! - Deficit, Debt,- Pfft! Lookit the bright side of our legacy - Ummrika is almost SmokFrei!)
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To: Freedom4US

right on.

Any new ,previosly ‘undiscovered’ new ‘revenue source’(tax) just expands into more spending on more crap we don’t need or is not Constitutional (or likely BOTH)

We don’t have a revenue problem, we have a spending problem.


29 posted on 04/08/2010 12:42:17 PM PDT by WOBBLY BOB ( FIRE STUPAK: LindaForCongress.com)
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To: Drango

“However, there is a benefit to the tobacco taxes.”

You sound just like Nancy Skinner, can’t say I’m surprised.


30 posted on 04/08/2010 1:37:54 PM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the "Dave Ramsey Fan" ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: CSM

I have no idea who Nancy Skinner is or what she sounds like.


31 posted on 04/08/2010 1:42:10 PM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: Drango

Do a FR search, oh wait, you endorse the government doing you bidding for you, so here goes:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2489038/posts

“Skinner exclaimed. “....What you want in a tax is a tax that changes behavior.”


32 posted on 04/08/2010 1:46:13 PM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the "Dave Ramsey Fan" ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: CSM

I’m thrilled the senate voted UNANIMOUSLY to stop cigarettes being sent by US Mail. Conservatives and liberals agree....smokers suck.


33 posted on 04/08/2010 1:51:27 PM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: Drango

No... it isn’t our business!! And when it became our business this country went to the dogs. People minded their own business years ago..and it was a shameful thing to do any of what you listed..now it is a badge of honor!! You can’t legislate morality all you can do is make laws and collect money....it isn’t working is it?


34 posted on 04/08/2010 3:13:30 PM PDT by briarbey b (There is nothing new under the sun.)
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To: briarbey b

If you say so.


35 posted on 04/08/2010 3:15:06 PM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: Drango; All

What else do you want to ban??? Fatty foods??


36 posted on 04/08/2010 5:26:14 PM PDT by KevinDavis (No money for the moon, but money for High Speed Choo Choo's....)
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To: KevinDavis

Should I mark you down as “I don’t care” for post # 22?


37 posted on 04/08/2010 5:38:13 PM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: Drango; All

Why don’t you just answer my question?? Fatty foods are bad for kids.. Just answer the question..


38 posted on 04/08/2010 5:40:49 PM PDT by KevinDavis (No money for the moon, but money for High Speed Choo Choo's....)
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To: KevinDavis

OK...I got you down as “I don’t care”.


39 posted on 04/08/2010 5:42:00 PM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: Drango; All

Why don’t you answer the question?? Busybodies like you are not conservatives..


40 posted on 04/08/2010 5:45:05 PM PDT by KevinDavis (No money for the moon, but money for High Speed Choo Choo's....)
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To: KevinDavis

I already have you marked as “I don’t care” for #22, would you like to change your answer?


41 posted on 04/08/2010 5:48:07 PM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: Drango
Due to the law of supply and demand, less people (particularly kids) are smoking. That’s a good thing.

That would be fewer people smoking, fanatic guy. At least try to pretend you know the English language.

42 posted on 04/09/2010 2:33:12 AM PDT by metesky (My retirement fund is holding steady @ $.05 a can.)
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To: swarthyguy; Drango
all you citizen subjects Nanny State Butt Worshippers who drooled and frothed and cackling gleefully, rubbed your hands in virtual sexual anticipation

I see FR's official Most Mentally Ill Troll heeded your summons.

This..thing..probably serves a useful purpose, though. His very Gollum-ness serves as a cautionary tale to normal people should they ever be tempted to substitute mental masturbation for reasoned argument in a most public way.

Kids, don't let this happen to you.

43 posted on 04/09/2010 4:34:34 AM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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To: Madame Dufarge

Well, smokers were the canaries from the 90’s onwards.

Now, the future is here, and ALL subjects will be treated like smokers....drinkers.....eaters.....energy users......


44 posted on 04/12/2010 1:10:49 PM PDT by swarthyguy (KIDS! - Deficit, Debt,- Pfft! Lookit the bright side of our legacy - Ummrika is almost SmokFrei!)
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To: swarthyguy
Yes, smokers were just the beta version.

I'll bet even the perps were stunned at how smoothly it ran, that toe in the water, and the template worked!

Fools.

45 posted on 04/12/2010 4:39:24 PM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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To: Madame Dufarge

Have to admit, it’s made us happier, reduced children’s diseases and contributed hugely to the lowered costs of health care.

Not to mention the absence of the rather unsightly spectacle of people in bars and nightclubs keeling over dead from all that once inhaled and then exhaled smoke.


46 posted on 04/13/2010 11:31:39 AM PDT by swarthyguy (KIDS! - Deficit, Debt,- Pfft! Lookit the bright side of our legacy - Ummrika is almost SmokFrei!)
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To: swarthyguy
Have to admit, it’s made us happier, reduced children’s diseases and contributed hugely to the lowered costs of health care.Indeed!

I was watching BOR interview Romney, it was almost painful to watch him squirming trying to defend Romneycare. He finally admitted that it didn't lower costs, but "at least everyone is covered." He feigned surprise that emergency room costs have skyrocketed too; he needed to "research" that. Should be fun watching him campaign for President with that 500-lb. albatross around his neck.

Not to mention the absence of the rather unsightly spectacle of people in bars and nightclubs keeling over dead from all that once inhaled and then exhaled smoke

What a blessing! Because if there's any group of people more interested in their health than bar and nightclub patrons, I don't what it is. I'll bet they can't wait for the bars to go alcohol-free soon. Think of all the children whose lives will be saved.

God bless the Nanny State!

47 posted on 04/13/2010 12:07:59 PM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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To: Madame Dufarge

On another thread, I mentioned banning politicians from running for office while occupying another one.

Romney came to mind, thought whether it was better he was off gallivanting around the country or sitting at Beacon Hill is debatable.


48 posted on 04/13/2010 12:16:19 PM PDT by swarthyguy (KIDS! - Deficit, Debt,- Pfft! Lookit the bright side of our legacy - Ummrika is almost SmokFrei!)
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To: swarthyguy
I've always felt a faintly creepy vibe coming from Harold Stassen - er, Mitt Romney.

He seems to want power too much, as if he's owed it by some divine right. There's something artificial about him, an off-center....something. He's a born hallway monitor.

49 posted on 04/13/2010 12:23:49 PM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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To: Madame Dufarge

>He’s a born hallway monitor

Then perfect for the nannyisation of Massachusetts, without a fight or a whimper, principles be damned.


50 posted on 04/13/2010 1:28:48 PM PDT by swarthyguy (KIDS! - Deficit, Debt,- Pfft! Lookit the bright side of our legacy - Ummrika is almost SmokFrei!)
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