Posted on 04/09/2010 5:11:47 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
Personhood ping!
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Timing makes a difference. the existence of roe, which slipped unto the law while bormal people were looking the other way, is proof. A year earlier or later and it would have been a different outcome. We need to learn that lesson. I trust Bopp, who has devoted his professional life to the issue.
It is impossible to argue with vermin. Liberals are not capable of simple human decency. They exist only to kill, consume, and destroy.
I don't trust him at all. He's a Romney hack, and has argued for a "strategy" that entails another 35 years of abortion in this country.
Bopp's strategies are utterly failed.
I don't believe God's wrath at the destruction of the innocent will wait for NRTL's unprincipled political gamesemanship to "work."
"I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that his justice cannot sleep forever." - Thomas Jefferson
I don’t understand why Phyllis Schlafley (Eagle Forum) is opposing this.
She went personally to MO and tried to talk the leaders of the Personhood movement out of it. Of course, she utterly failed. She also took active measures against the Nevada effort.
It makes even less sense in light of the fact that she has been one of the key people who advocated for the Personhood, Fourteenth Amendment Reagan plank in the Republican platform committee over the last 25 years.
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Here is the statement posted at the Eagles Forum website:
http://www.eagleforum.org/topics/life/personhood.html
Eagle Forum Opposes Personhood Amendment
November 30, 2009
The "personhood" initiative lost by a landslide of 73% to 27% in Colorado in 2008, and its unpopular coattails hurt good pro-life candidates there. This poorly designed initiative would not prevent a single abortion even it if became law, and its vague language would enable more mischief by judges.
Now its organizers, who provide little information about themselves or their funding, spread their disaster to key swing states like Florida, Missouri, Nevada and Montana. This hurtful effort misleads pro-lifers with the false hope that a referendum can overturn Roe v. Wade, when only the U.S. Supreme Court can do that. This enriches pro-abortion groups with a fundraising issue as they claim to preserve abortion by suing to stop this initiative, and they have already filed several lawsuits.
Florida's Catholic Bishops recently banned the collection of any signatures for this ill-advised initiative at churches there, and most pro-life groups also oppose this initiative. We encourage support of pro-life candidates, and oppose hurtful gimmicks like the personhood initiative.
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As to the statement "this hurtful effort misleads pro-lifers with the false hope that a referendum can overturn Roe v. Wade, when only the U.S. Supreme Court can do that" -- this is patently false. Roe v. Wade was built on the refusal of the SCOTUS to define personhood. So if the US Congress or the several states would define personhood, Roe v. Wade would be nullified.
One of the core fallacies of their old stale failed thinking is that they are judicial supremacists, like the rest of our political and legal class passing the responsibility to protect unalienable rights solely upon the courts.
when only the U.S. Supreme Court can do that
In fact, ALL officers of government, in every branch and at every level, have sworn to uphold the Constitution, which protects the God-given right to life of every innocent person.
Without co-equal branches led by constitutionally-minded representatives of the people who are willing to provide checks and balances, we no longer live in a constitutional republic, governed by laws and not by men; we now live in a judicial oligarchy. And it's killing thousands of little children every day.
You are correct. Even the infamous Blackmun, the author of the majority Roe decision, admitted in the text that if the fetus is a person, they OF COURSE are protected by the clear provisions of the Fourteenth Amendment.
There was a National Review article in late 1980 or early 1981 where the author, a lawyer, listed (I think) 20 or so ways that Roe v. Wade could be nullified without going to the SCOTUS.
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men..."
Yep.
Until Roe v Wade is overturned, this is a waste of time and money.
This time and money is better spent electing Strict Constitutionalists to the US Senate. Then, these battles in the states will bear fruit.
Was Dred Scott ever “overturned”?
“Strict constitutionalists” like Mark Kirk, Charlie Crist, John McCain and Meg Whitman? These are the kind of folks the Republican Party is pushing.
Do you believe that the Supreme Court is supreme over the Congress, the Executive Branch, the people, God’s law, the natural law and the clear words of the Constitution? You don’t believe in co-equal branches of government and checks and balances on power?
If so, the sworn oaths of all those other folks who aren’t sitting on a bench don’t mean much of anything at all, do they? At best, if we’re now a judicial oligarchy instead of a constitutional republic they’re a mere formality.
If you think this is entirely up to the courts you’re a judicial supremacist, and your way of thinking has already utterly failed. For decades we’ve worked to put so-called “pro-life” “Republican” Presidents in the White House and “constitutionalist” judges on the bench. Six of the nine judges currently on the Supreme Court were nominated by Republican Presidents. And not one of them will simply recognize the personhood of the child in the womb and invoke the unmistakable requirements of the Fourteenth Amendment. Not one.
And the US Senate is a moral wasteland.
I'll address the above as it's the only relevant part of your commentary.
The Supreme Court is the final arbiter of the meaning of the Constitution in our political system, until...or unless the Court overturns itself (this has occurred) or a Constitutional Amendment is Ratified.
The Constitution is the supreme law of the land.
Until Roe is overturned, ALL OTHER POLITICAL ACTIVITY ASSOCIATED WITH PERSONHOOD IS A WASTE OF TIME AND MONEY.
If you want to overturn Roe, there are only two viable paths:
1. Constitutional Amendment, duly ratified by the Congress and the States.
2. Strict Constitutionalists in the US Senate who will only consent to Strict Constitutionalists on the USSC...and, in a 1-3 decade period that cadre of Senators, continually replenished, will find themselves with an opportunity to put the 5th vote on the USSC to overturn Roe.
The only viable 3rd path is armed revolution.
If you cannot see and understand these facts there's little anyone can do to help.
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