[Eyes Unclouded]

“faced a backlash from conservatives in his party who did not believe he was a Christian.”

I don’t understand. I thought Mormon was a type of christian like Methodist or Catholic or Baptist. They still use the Bible right? They were leaders in getting that Gay marriage act defeated in California.

Why so much blue on blue in your guys social conservative camp?

[Elsie]

I don’t understand. I thought Mormon was a type of christian like Methodist or Catholic or Baptist.

 

 

Uh.... not quite.

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http://scriptures.lds.org/en/js_h/1/17#17

  17 It no sooner appeared than I found myself delivered from the enemy which held me bound. When the light rested upon me I saw two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other—This is My Beloved Son. Hear Him!
  18 My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong)—and which I should join.
  19 I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: “they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.”
  20 He again forbade me to join with any of them; and many other things did he say unto me, which I cannot write at this time. When I came to myself again, I found myself lying on my back, looking up into heaven. When the light had departed, I had no strength; but soon recovering in some degree, I went home. And as I leaned up to the fireplace, mother inquired what the matter was. I replied, “Never mind, all is well—I am well enough off.” I then said to my mother,

“I have learned for myself that Presbyterianism is not true.”

 

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Joseph Smith continues: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from

Pearl of Great Price, Joseph Smith-History 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).

 

 

Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?

 [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'.

When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'?

[Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).

 

 

Brigham Young stated this repeatedly:

"When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73);

"The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171);

"With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199);

"And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p.24);

"Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).

 

 

Orson Pratt proclaimed:

"Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).

"This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses, vol.18, p.44),

"But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses, 18:172).

 

 

President John Taylor stated:

"Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p.167);

"Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses, 10:127).

 

 

James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).

 

 

President Joseph Fielding Smith said:

"Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266).

"For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).

 

 

More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear:

"Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265);

"Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132);

"virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269);

"Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).

 

 

President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).

 

 

President Wilford Woodruff stated:

"the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses, vol. 2, p.196).

 

[fishtank]

Are you truly serious here?

[NoRedTape]

"I thought Mormon was a type of christian like Methodist or Catholic or Baptist."

The mormons aren't even remotely "Christian", Eyes Unclouded. They are simply a cult who believe in a fake prophet and in bogus writings by Joe Smith outside of the Bible.

They do not believe in the Biblical Jesus of the Bible.

And that poses a unique problem. Last time I checked, the USA was comprised predominantly of Christians.
Could the GOP actually elect a non-Christian to the office of President?

Read more here to find the truth on mormonism.
....and especially HERE.

[Colofornian]

“faced a backlash from conservatives in his party who did not believe he was a Christian.” I don’t understand. I thought Mormon was a type of christian like Methodist or Catholic or Baptist.

(No. Methodists, Catholics or Baptists are not polytheists, nor do they believe they will become gods one day)

They still use the Bible right?

[Only when it's "correctly (and conveniently, IMA) translated" as they have seen fit...meanwhile, ignoring the rest.]

They were leaders in getting that Gay marriage act defeated in California.

Yes. The Mormons should continue to be complimented not only on Prop 8 from 2008, but Prop 22 in California in 2000 vote also defended marriage, and few people recognize the importance of Mormons contributing to that passing as well.

Why so much blue on blue in your guys social conservative camp?

Because Romney has waffled many, many times on abortion, treatment of embryos, protecting the workplace from becoming a "civil rights" nest for homosexuals, the homosexual agenda itself. Many other Mormon political leaders have similar political agendas, despite their Mormon ties (Harry Reid, for example...about 1/4 of the Lds congressman are Democrats).

Basically, I would contend that "waffle" is the byword among Mormons. It didn't originate with Romney. The Mormon god was...
...first against polygamy (Book of Mormon)
...then for it (Smith's lifestyle & he then sought to back it up with his own hand-made 'revelation' in Doctrine & Covenants 132)
...then they were against it starting in 1890
...then then they were still for it -- with their leaders solemnizing an additional 260+ plural marriages between 1890-1910...
...then they were against it, ex-communicating people in the 1930s...
...then they were for it, with a leading apostle (Bruce R. McConkie) saying the Mormons would re-institute it upon Jesus' return (see book, Mormon Doctrine by McConkie).
...in the interim, or at least people die and live as polygamists on another planet, they are against it.

Likewise, Lds were against blacks as priestholders in the church -- even while Romney was still age 30 -- and then they were for it.

Just stick around long enough. The Mormon politician, the Mormon god, and the Mormon "prophet" will change their mind yet once again. And if the Mormon "prophet" does, then the Mormon "politician" is pledged to go along with that per Ezra Taft Benson, former ag secretary of the Eisenhower admin & former Lds "prophet."

[Vendome]

It is a stupid narrative. No one dismissed Romney as a credible candidate for some perceived error of his religion.

His lack of vision expressed with passion did himself in.

They are just making excuses for his loss.

He under performed. Period.

[restornu]

Please you have stumble on to a thread that is full of ex LDS and those who despised LDS.

The have a tendency to take a topic and revised it to fit it to their agenda.

Like a sramble egg or worst yet muddy or poison the water so the reader is so confused what is what.

[svcw]

View these statement about the lds view of Christ:

LDS Apostle Bruce McConkie taught:

…virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ… (Mormon Doctrine, “False Christs,” page 269)

It is true that many of the Christian churches worship a different Jesus Christ than is worshipped by the Mormons or The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. (Seventy Bernard P. Brockbank,Ensign, May 1977, page 26)

[There are those outside the LDS Church who say Latter-day Saints] do not believe in the traditional Christ. No, I don’t. The traditional Christ of whom they speak is not the Christ of whom I speak. (President Gordon B. Hinckley, Church News, 20 June 1998, page 7)

As a Church, we have critics, many of them. They say we do not believe in the traditional Christ of Christianity. There is some substance to what they say. (President Gordon B. Hinckley, Ensign, May 2002, page 90)

[reaganaut]

Mormons are not Christians. I used to be LDS. Their doctrines insult God, Christ, the Cross, everything Christians hold dear. They also believe God was once a man, man can become Gods themselves, salvation by works, the Christ and Satan are ‘spirit brothers’, that Christ was created and had to earn His godhood, that there are 3 Gods, not one, that are only ‘one’ in purpose, and that they (the Mormons) are the ONLY real Christians, the rest of us are deceived by Satan and are in his employ.

I can provide documentation for all of the above, from LDS’s OWN sources.

Their use of the Bible is limited, used out of context, twisted and they denigrate the Bible which is why the need the Book of Mormon (which they places above the Bible) and a modern prophet (who is very closed to being worshiped by them). The teach and believe that the Bible is corrupted, mostly by the Catholic church.

If you are interested in the differences between mormonism and Christianity check out these sites here:

www.utlm.org

www.irr.org/mit

Also, feel free to freepmail me if you have any specific questions. I was Mormon for several years before I became a Christian.