Army to court martial 'birther' officer

msnbc ^ | April 13, 2010 | Mark Murray

[thouworm]

Great find--- I don't think this has been posted before. We need to find someone to look at those letters; I wrote a comment asking that the letters be posted in the interest of history (fat chance?). Below is the standard fare. However, we should now look upon the letter you posted as a fixed reference point.
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"After all, there was another Obama in the world. Perhaps he would take after him," Abercrombie recalled. Obama graduated with honors in 1962. Earlier that year he was offered a scholarship to pursue a doctorate at Harvard, which provided enough money for Obama but not for his wife and son, according to the candidates' memoir. Obama decided to go anyway.

In a May 1962 letter to Mboya, Obama waxed excitedly about his plans for Harvard. He made no mention of his second wife and new son, but Mboya, who had recently been appointed Kenya's minister of labor, was aware that Obama had a child in Hawaii, and was not happy about Obama's plans to leave his son behind, according to Susan Mboya. In one of a series of letters the two men exchanged, Mboya chastised his protégé, Susan Mboya said. She declined to release the letters. But Tom Mboya eventually relented, according to his daughter, "for he saw that the opportunity for Obama was very great."

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Obama arrived in Cambridge on a brisk fall day in 1962 and swiftly established himself. Then 29, Obama rented an apartment in a rooming house in the shadow of Central Square, which soon became known as a hangout for African students. And when newcomers from Kenya arrived in town, "they knew they could go there and spend a night on the floor and get some information," recalled Paul Nyangani, 66, an uncle of Tom Mboya's and friend of Obama's. There is little record of Obama at Harvard. He received a master's degree in economics in 1965, and did not complete a PhD. But several of his colleagues remember him well.

Frederick Okatcha, a professor of psychology at Kenyatta University who attended Yale University in the mid 1960s, recalls that a group of Africans attending universities on the East Coast would gather in New York, often at the former West End Bar near Columbia University. "Most Kenyans then would talk about the political positions they wanted to hold when they got back," said Okatcha. "Obama was more intellectual."

Although Obama had always enjoyed his beer, he was developing a taste for Johnnie Walker Black that earned him the nickname 'Mr. Double Double.' After Obama ordered his customary double Scotch, "He would shout in that big deep voice, 'Waiter, another double!' said Leo Odera Omolo, a journalist and drinking buddy of Obama's, who lives in Kisumu, a port city in Kenya.

During his time at Harvard, Obama met another woman. Her name was Ruth Nidesand, a teacher and a person of some means. Obama confided in friends that he was attracted to Nidesand in part because, "she was able to pay for some of the social activities that he could not afford," said Omolo. Obama had continued to write Dunham in Hawaii and inquire about their son, but relations between the two deteriorated and they divorced in 1964. The following year, Obama returned to Africa with Nidesand and the couple were soon married.

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[thouworm]

(see reference comment by AlbertaFriend)
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In the late 1950s, Scheinman, an American businessman, and Mboya, a politician, an advocate for democratic development, and a leader of labor and independence movements in Africa, became fast friends. Mboya, knowing education was the key to independence and a vibrant democracy, was looking for a way to get young Africans (mainly Kenyans) a university education in the United States and Canada.

With Scheinman’s help, connections, and financial support, Mboya created the African American Students Foundation: the vehicle that helped thousands of Africans to come to America.

One of those young students who came to the United States under the umbrella of the African American Students Foundation was none other than Barack Obama Senior.

Both Scheinman’s and Mboya’s papers are housed in the Hoover Institution Archives. In processing those papers, we ran across thank-you letters from the senior Obama to Mboya. Here are several excerpts from one of those letters:

Barack Obama Sr. to Tom Mboya, May 29, 1962, Tom Mboya Papers, Box 41, Hoover Institution Archives.

Mboya went on to become a minister in the cabinet of Kenya’s first independent government in 1963, and many believe the history of Kenya would have been very different had Mboya not been assassinated in 1969.

Hoover Archivists' Musings

[Candor7]

Where are all the Obot trollies? Come here trollie, trollie, trollie!

True or another red herring? Sounds valid.

Or maybe its an Occidental College leak?

[Candor7]

Pinng to 532.usyt read. Either a tip or a red herring.

[Fred Nerks]

IIRC that report was proven to be a hoax.

[Candor7]

LOL, it was entertaining while it lasted. I pinged you because I thought you likely would know if it was false.

Hope all is well with you!

[rxsid]

So Sr. moved back to Africa, in 1965, with Nidesand and they latter got married?

Question: Is Nidesand white?

If so, and they got married in Africa WHILE Sr. was STILL married to his first (tribal?) wife...the additional marriage to (white) Nidesand still occured? Was is fairly well known there? There marriage that is.

If the above is true, doesn't this mean that it would have been just as easy and make just as much sense that Sr. and SADO were married in Africa as well?

[Fred Nerks]

So Sr. moved back to Africa, in 1965, with Nidesand and they latter got married?

IN THE ABSENCE OF ANY DOCUMENTATION, (WHETHER GENUINE OR FORGED,) WHO WOULD KNOW?

Question: Is Nidesand white?

YES.

If so, and they got married in Africa WHILE Sr. was STILL married to his first (tribal?) wife...the additional marriage to (white) Nidesand still occured? Was is fairly well known there? There marriage that is.

THEY LIVED TOGETHER IN NAIROBI AND HAD A SON, MARK. WHEN OBAMA SENIOR WAS KILLED, IT WAS MARK WHO WAS THE ONLY ONE WHO COULD SHOW HE WAS THE BIOLOGICAL SON OF OBAMA SENIOR. I'LL LET YOU MULL OVER THE IMPLICATIONS.

If the above is true, doesn't this mean that it would have been just as easy and make just as much sense that Sr. and SADO were married in Africa as well?

THE ABOVE ISN'T TRUE AND 'SENSE' DOESN'T COME INTO 'DREAMS FROM MY FATHER'.

MARK NDESANDJO, SON OF BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA SENIOR AND RUTH NDESANDJO:

[icwhatudo]

Pardon the late entry into the thread but:

“If you’re unwilling to accept the proof provided by Hawaiian officials that Obama was born there, then what’s the point of continually asking for proof?”

Could you please link to the proof provided by the Hawaiian officials? Thanks.