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Who says the economy is rebounding? (Warren Buffet, Chase CEO, Dimon and GE's ex-CEO Jack Welch)
Fortune ^ | 04/16/2010 | Becky Quick

Posted on 04/16/2010 6:48:50 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

The economy has made a sharp U-turn in the past couple of months, and better days for American businesses and workers are around the corner.

But don't take my word for it. Take Warren Buffett's. And Jamie Dimon's. And Jack Welch's. All three tell me that in the past four to eight weeks, they've seen a real change in their businesses, and that indicates better news for the nation's economy. They should know.

Warren Buffett has been focusing on the data from BNSF Railway, which he recently acquired. At the start of the recession three years ago, Burlington Northern felt the pain early when retailers stopped ordering goods, automakers stopped shipping cars, and homebuilders stopped needing so much lumber. The railroad started storing thousands of idle railcars; now those cars are being called back into service. And that's an incredibly important sign.

But that's not his only hint.

Buffett's Berkshire Hathaway (BRKA, Fortune 500) conglomerate encompasses some 80 different businesses, and he's seeing strength everywhere: from the number of hours customers fly at NetJets to the amount (and cost) of jewelry they buy at Borsheim's.

But the most important place he's seeing it is at Iscar, an Israeli-based manufacturer of metalworking tools he bought in May 2006. Iscar's cutting tools are used on aircraft, auto, and other assembly lines, and the company's sales volume is popping. "You can just feel the pulse of industry quickening," Buffett says.

(Excerpt) Read more at money.cnn.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: economy; jackwelch; rebound; warrenbuffet; warrenbuffett
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Jamie Dimon, whose J.P. Morgan Chase (JPM, Fortune 500) was the fortress that withstood the great financial disaster, counts millions of Americans as customers. And he's seeing a turn in the very recent data as well. After soaring to a record high of 9.3%, credit card charge-offs for the industry are dropping to more normal levels of 5% to 6%.

But his most important indicator may be the anecdotal evidence that a hiring boom is on the horizon. Dimon travels the country constantly for lunches or dinners with business leaders, meeting with groups of 20 to 250 people at a time. They may be people who run small or large businesses, they may be venture capital investors, they may be clients of the firm's massive private banking group.

And then there's Jack Welch, who spent 20 years at the helm of the nation's largest industrial conglomerate, General Electric (GE, Fortune 500). These days Welch is a special partner at private equity firm Clayton Dubilier & Rice, which has investments in everything from Hertz rental cars to TruGreen, a lawn service company.

He told Squawk Box recently that customers across the board are flooding back. "People who have jobs are now feeling more secure about keeping them and are therefore spending," Welch says. "And people who don't have jobs are becoming more hopeful as they see glimmers of hiring."

So if these business leaders are that confident, why are there still so many doubters out there?

1 posted on 04/16/2010 6:48:51 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

I guess it’s OK to buy a car with an unemployment check.


2 posted on 04/16/2010 6:51:02 AM PDT by moovova (More coffee please...make it a double.)
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To: SeekAndFind
It's the pivot after the healthcare jam down. All lefties and mogul sellouts on board. We have to make people believe the economy is on the mend to save “The One”. All this wonderful economic news just seems to flare up right after Obamacare passes.
3 posted on 04/16/2010 6:52:42 AM PDT by throwback
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To: SeekAndFind
But his most important indicator may be the anecdotal evidence that a hiring boom is on the horizon.

Bull poop...

Higher labor costs as a result of Obiecare ensures that unemployment will not go much lower than it is now. Employers will do more with less and demand OT of the existing workforce rather than bear the burden of adding additional workers.

4 posted on 04/16/2010 6:58:05 AM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (Obie Wan Nairobi from the 1/2 dark side. The farce strong with this one, it is...)
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To: SeekAndFind

if true,

why aren’t banks making more small business loans?


5 posted on 04/16/2010 6:59:28 AM PDT by ken21 (i am not voting for a rino-progressive.)
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To: moovova

or mtge money...


6 posted on 04/16/2010 6:59:50 AM PDT by himno hero
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To: SeekAndFind

Well if they can get people to believe the economy is better, then it is better.......

But the unemployed know better.


7 posted on 04/16/2010 7:01:22 AM PDT by Freddd (CNN is down to Three Hundred Thousand viewers. But they worked for it.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Trying to play the psychology game. They claim to see a recovery in hopes that people will start spending more money and get things moving again, just like trying to claim everyone is having fun at a party where everyone is really gloomy - get enough people dancing and maybe things will perk up.
8 posted on 04/16/2010 7:02:17 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Obamacare: The 2010 version of the Intolerable Acts.)
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To: KarlInOhio

I see so much pessimism regarding America’s economy in FR and I begin to wonder if it’s because a Democrat is sitting in the White House (and we don’t want people to get the impression that any economic improvement will be attributed to him ).

Would we be this pessimistic if a Republican were president ?


9 posted on 04/16/2010 7:05:27 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Not around here 13.7% UE this morning.


10 posted on 04/16/2010 7:09:58 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: mad_as_he$$
Not around here 13.7% UE this morning.

And in what great state and fair city do you live in ?
11 posted on 04/16/2010 7:13:46 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

you need to look at the real rate. the u6 which is 17.5% unemployment. plus once the college students graduates lots more unemployed.


12 posted on 04/16/2010 7:32:00 AM PDT by GreaterSwiss
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To: SeekAndFind

What are they supposed to say, that the house of cards that they built and live in is falling down? What I and others see is an empire in decline for various reasons. I see baby boomers leaving the work force and I see the jobs that they once held being eliminated or outsourced on their way out the door. That means there are fewer people paying tax dollars and more people using tax dollars. That can only lead to more and more taxes and more and more socialism which is an unsustainable economic model that ends in third world status. Recent political and economic developments strongly support this view. I see a nation that absolutely positively can not pass a budget without borrowing or printing money. Think about that. We have reached the point where we CAN NOT BALANCE OUR BUDGET. WE ARE BORROWING MONEY TO PAY THE INTEREST ON MONEY THAT WE HAVE BORROWED. What happens in your house when you reach that point? How long can we keep this up and what is the end result? I’d say not for much longer and nothing good. I see $4/gallon gas on the horizon. I see OPEC growing stronger and America growing weaker. I see China growing stronger and America growing weaker. I see Iran growing stronger and America growing weaker. I see our influence in the world diminishing and with it, our ability to control our destiny. I see 14% unemployment in Michigan, 13.4% unemployment in Nevada, 12.6% unemployment in California, 12.3% in Florida, and 11% in my own state of Ohio and those are just the U2 numbers. I see home foreclosures increasing, not decreasing (despite the stock market rally) and with every home foreclosure I see a broken family that will spend a decade or more trying to put their life back together. I see a standard of living that is going down the toilet for too many Americans. In short, I see nothing to be optimistic about. I’m happy that Berkshire Hathaway stock is trading at $130,000/share. I suppose I would be happier if I owned a few shares of Berkshire Hathaway.


13 posted on 04/16/2010 7:34:07 AM PDT by RC one (WHAT!!!!)
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To: GreaterSwiss
you need to look at the real rate. the u6 which is 17.5% unemployment. plus once the college students graduates lots more unemployed.

I am not unaware that unemployment is terrible. But I am always told that unemployment is a LAGGING indicator. The economy bounces back first, then months later, hiring starts. Yes, even for new college grads.

Let's not be too pessimistic, we already have news like this from the Wall Street Journal ( a paper that is not a fan of Obama's policies ) --- Technology Company Hiring is heating up
14 posted on 04/16/2010 7:36:42 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
I think many of us believe we've been in a scam since TARP. TARP was never used for what it was supposedly going to be used for and all of the fundamental problems remain. The Left has an agenda; whatever happens to the economy is irrelevant to them. However, much of the public is still dependent on the private sector. It's important to us. To the degree the Left needs to keep the population on board to maintain power a little bit longer, they'll do what they have to do to make the economy look. Still at bottom, they couldn't care less whether the economy is improving, because that's not what it's about for them. That's why I'm skeptical about any good economic news. It's all manipulation.
15 posted on 04/16/2010 7:42:58 AM PDT by throwback
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To: SeekAndFind

Companies have cut to the bone. Many earnings have increased but their sales are way below 2008 earnings records. It means stock prices are going up because the companies are making record profits by cutting workers. The question is will the economy pick up to the point where they can start hiring and how long will the increase cover the basic population increase of workers and ultimately recover the 8.9 M jobs lost. I think we will be stuck like Japan until the corporations and banks can eliminate their balance sheet debts before real expansion begins. I say give the US ten years to reach that balance.


16 posted on 04/16/2010 7:53:25 AM PDT by Fee (Peace, prosperity, jobs and common sense)
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To: SeekAndFind
There is a report from NFIB that says small business sentiment is at -8. In 1982 the small business sentiment was +18% just before the turn around. That said the world is way different now.
17 posted on 04/16/2010 7:55:49 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: SeekAndFind

Reno, NV


18 posted on 04/16/2010 7:56:30 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: gov_bean_ counter
Higher labor costs as a result of Obiecare ensures that unemployment will not go much lower than it is now. Employers will do more with less and demand OT of the existing workforce rather than bear the burden of adding additional workers.

Yes, people don't realize(at least many of them don't)that the expense of hiring someone goes way beyond the wages paid. Companies have been hiring people for years as part time workers in order to get around some of the overhead required if they work people 40 hours per week. Now the overhead will be even higher and they will have fewer and fewer people on the payroll.

Anyone who actually believes we are on the verge of a recovery have had their brains removed due to brain washing or they simply want to "believe" it.

19 posted on 04/16/2010 7:59:46 AM PDT by calex59
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To: SeekAndFind

With long term high unemployment as it is, who is buying the products? With the new mandates on health care and the expiration of the Bush tax cuts, why is business so optimistic about the future? What am I missing? In the near future, the United States will not be able to pay the interest on the National Debt. The government is burning up the printing presses printing money. What am I missing that makes business so optimistic?


20 posted on 04/16/2010 8:05:16 AM PDT by Nosterrex
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