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To: Maelstorm

Ridiculous. First of all, no one has any business putting the onus of any sexual orientation identity on a young child. Second, they are what they are. Short of some type of sexual trauma, you can’t make someone gay or make someone straight. They’re going to be whatever they’re going to be. If, by adolescence, they identify as gay, then that’s that. You can’t un-gay them, no matter what Pat Robertson and all the alumni of Exodus try to claim. All you can do is damage them and make them feel bad about themselves.....and about you.


9 posted on 04/16/2010 6:16:16 PM PDT by MIlle
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To: MIlle

You are wrong. Most gays report abuse, most have higher evidence of all sorts of disorders which are also common in abuse victims such as increased incidence of suicide, increased numbers of sexual partners, difficulty forming normal relationships, problems with drug abuse. Sex workers also have this in common as do many sex abusers many of which were abused themselves. There may be a small number who have none of the typical issues related to their disorder but they most likely have some other cause. Some prenatal drug use has been shown to twist natural human sexual tendencies. This isn’t a group of Pat Robertson types this group is made up of licensed pediatricians and PHD level scientists. They base their conclusions on years of settled science. Most of it may be ignored or ridiculed by liberals in the media and those liberals who dominate the behavioral sciences but it does not make it untrue.
It is inconvenient especially for those in our soft society where unicorns and rainbows pass for substance.


16 posted on 04/16/2010 6:26:43 PM PDT by Maelstorm (Some want to enslave your body others your soul.)
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To: MIlle

“you can’t make someone gay or make someone straight. They’re going to be whatever they’re going to be. If, by adolescence, they identify as gay, then that’s that.”

Evidence suggests that’s not the case. People become gay when some older man decides to use them for their own purposes. Why do you think they are recruiting so hard?


21 posted on 04/16/2010 6:46:49 PM PDT by BenKenobi ("we shall defend our Island, whatever the cost may be")
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To: MIlle

MIlle wrote:
Short of some type of sexual trauma, you can’t make someone gay or make someone straight. They’re going to be whatever they’re going to be.

There were 5 boys in our subdivision who engaged in gay sex when they were 12-14 years old, thanks to a gay man in the neighborhood. They did not feel traumatized, but enlightened, at the time. Three are still gay. Two are married with children, and wished the gay man was alive so they could bring charges against him. He died of AID’s. 3 out of 5 boys gay is high. Isn’t it 10% of population that are gay? This man ruined the lives of a lot of people.


22 posted on 04/16/2010 6:48:17 PM PDT by Linda Frances
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To: MIlle

“You can’t un-gay them, no matter what Pat Robertson and all the alumni of Exodus try to claim. All you can do is damage them and make them feel bad about themselves...”

Giving in to homosexual behavior trying to normalize it as moral and honorable is what is damaging. The consequences are way worse than “feeling bad about themselves.”


25 posted on 04/16/2010 7:22:18 PM PDT by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: MIlle

I personally know some un-gays. You are incorrect.

They have to want to change. But they can change.


26 posted on 04/16/2010 7:25:58 PM PDT by Marie2 (Ask yourself: "What does the Left want me to do?" Then go do the opposite.)
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To: MIlle

I personally know some un-gays. You are incorrect.

They have to want to change. But they can change.


27 posted on 04/16/2010 7:26:11 PM PDT by Marie2 (Ask yourself: "What does the Left want me to do?" Then go do the opposite.)
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To: MIlle

You are totally wrong. You should educate yourself about the nature of homosexuality, for one; and second, you should stop trying to teach others lies.

Okay?


35 posted on 04/16/2010 9:26:51 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gamaya Tamaso Ma Jyotir Gamaya)
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To: MIlle; Maelstrom

MIlle, you are mistaken. There’s a good discussion on the site, “Empowering Parents of Gender Discordant and Same-Sex Attracted Children,” with some references and data on the development of homosexuality and reversal of “gays.”


41 posted on 04/17/2010 1:50:09 AM PDT by hocndoc (http://www.LifeEthics.org (I've got a mustard seed and I'm not afraid to use it.) (RIA)
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To: MIlle

ibtz


49 posted on 04/17/2010 6:35:16 AM PDT by darkangel82 (I don't have a superiority complex, I'm just better than you.)
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To: MIlle
If, by adolescence, they identify as gay, then that’s that. You can’t un-gay them, no matter what Pat Robertson and all the alumni of Exodus try to claim.

You are wrong about that. I am a woman of the generation that came of age in the 60s. As an artist, I saw scores of friends from art school and our shared workplaces become involved in unrestrained homosexual activity, only to succumb to the AIDS virus and die horrible deaths. By the same token, dozens of other homosexualists who witnessed the destruction of their friends stopped acting stupid, got married to women and fathered children.

And although AIDS was not so much of a threat to the lesbians, I witnessed quite a few of them also rethinking their situation in order to marry and have natural children.

It wasn't hard to conclude that for many caught up in the lifestyle, acting gay is a "preference" at best. You can argue that gays and lesbians who make a course correction to align with their God-given birth gender are "really" gay or bi, but the point is that if they can function in either type of relationship with enough success to have children and to stay with the biological co-parent of the child (for at least as long as today's stupid heterosexuals do before divorcing), they do indeed have choice.

Many whom I witnessed made that choice to act volitionally from their minds instead of instinctively according to their denied emotional drivers or moral vacuums, and have become healed. It took patience and determination to follow a higher part of their nature than genital escapism.

55 posted on 04/19/2010 8:10:56 AM PDT by Albion Wilde (Liberals love the poor so much they came up w/ a plan to create millions more of them. - Ann Coulter)
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