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Obama and Israel: Showdown at the UN?
Fox News (LiveShots) ^ | April 16, 2010 | Ben Evansky

Posted on 04/16/2010 6:36:45 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo

The Obama administration is reportedly signaling another major shift in policy towards one of its staunchest allies, Israel, and this shift could change the way it votes at the Security Council. The change would mean an end to the US' use of its veto power in the United Nations Security Council when certain anti-Israel resolutions are introduced for a vote.‪

Reports surfaced a couple of weeks ago, that a senior US diplomat met with Qatar's foreign minister in Paris. They discussed the possibility that the US was giving serious consideration to not using its veto if a vote on Israeli settlements was to come up. It has been the policy of successive administrations to veto virtually all anti-Israel resolutions at the Security Council.‪

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Israel; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: dncantiisrael; dnchatesisrael; enemydomestic; israel; obama; obama4islam; obamaantiisrael; obamahatesisrael; obamaintifada; un

1 posted on 04/16/2010 6:36:45 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Mr. Mojo

Bad advice, bad move, and it will backfire at the ballot box in November.


2 posted on 04/16/2010 6:41:01 PM PDT by DownInFlames
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To: Mr. Mojo

Obama Sucks!


3 posted on 04/16/2010 6:42:35 PM PDT by screaminsunshine (i)
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To: DownInFlames

I wish you were right, but the self loathing democrat jewish voting block will still vote overwhelmingly for Obambi?


4 posted on 04/16/2010 6:44:07 PM PDT by IllumiNaughtyByNature (3V3Ry71N' 084M4 D03z 83N3f17Z MU5l1mz. c01NC1d3nc3?)
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To: Mr. Mojo

Israel needs to find another country to supply them weapons.


5 posted on 04/16/2010 6:44:23 PM PDT by Roklok
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To: Mr. Mojo

It too bad that the Israelis not only have to put up with bull**** from the Muzzie freakshow, they also have to deal with bull**** from the commie freakshow at the U.N.


6 posted on 04/16/2010 6:45:58 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Dude! Where's my Constitution!)
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To: Mr. Mojo
Islam hates Israel and would like to see it destroyed.

obama is muslim or muslim sympathizer;

Therefore, obama wants to destroy Israel.

What other conclusion could one come to? His PERSONAL feelings are causing him to see to destroy or allow others to destroy Israel...one of America's strongest allies.

Why should his PERSONAL feelings be the deciding factor in this international crisis?

If he destroys one of America's biggest allies, and we stand by and do/say nothing, that means we not only concur, but support his actions.

Do we?
7 posted on 04/16/2010 6:47:31 PM PDT by FrankR (Those of us who love AMERICA far outnumber those who love obama - your choice.)
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To: Mr. Mojo

If such a thing were to happen, it virtually guarantees Israel will use her nukes.


8 posted on 04/16/2010 6:59:02 PM PDT by Drill Thrawl (Another day, another injury, another step closer. Are you prepared?)
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To: Mr. Mojo

Bush's Fault™

(aggravated by Global Warming)



9 posted on 04/16/2010 7:05:34 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Dissent is Racism)
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To: IllumiNaughtyByNature

Maybe, but the Senate will think differently. I see BHO being impeached for turning against Israel and unconstitutional activities. The House will go solidly republican and that is where the business for kicking this idiot out of the WH.


10 posted on 04/16/2010 7:11:10 PM PDT by DownInFlames
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To: DownInFlames

Valley Girl will never be impeached. I’ll take any bets.


11 posted on 04/16/2010 7:12:14 PM PDT by gathersnomoss (General George Patton had it right.)
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To: DownInFlames

It’ll still take 60 senators and there is no way that’ll happen, but taking back the House, is a real possibility, that the LSM wont talk about, but true pollsters are mentioning. I did notice that RCP moved from +7 Senator pick ups to +8 but cant tell who the newest addition was.


12 posted on 04/16/2010 7:22:35 PM PDT by IllumiNaughtyByNature (3V3Ry71N' 084M4 D03z 83N3f17Z MU5l1mz. c01NC1d3nc3?)
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To: Mr. Mojo

I just wish Bibi would walk up and kick Boy Zero’s a$$.


13 posted on 04/16/2010 7:23:32 PM PDT by ScottinVA (RIP to the country I love...)
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To: gathersnomoss

I wonder if the “foreign relations genius” biden gave nobama this advice...or maybe it was the equally brilliant clintoon? Needless to say, this is sheer brilliance in foreign policy. Phis regime is a hate crime against the United States. Total fools and poltroons.


14 posted on 04/16/2010 7:24:07 PM PDT by hal ogen ($10 (I think) ajmo0unts through the internet from all over the world.)
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To: Mr. Mojo
Obama offing Israel. The irony.

The chickens are coming home to roost. lol

15 posted on 04/16/2010 8:13:53 PM PDT by Phlap (REDNECK@LIBARTS.EDU)
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To: Mr. Mojo

What a joke...the rat taunting the cat...well, we all know how that’s gonna end!


16 posted on 04/16/2010 10:21:17 PM PDT by dtrpscout (A bad dog is better than most good people.)
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To: Mr. Mojo
"The change would mean an end to the US' use of its veto power in the United Nations Security Council when certain anti-Israel resolutions are introduced for a vote.‪

This is horrendous -- Obama making it very clear to the world that he is anti-Israel and he won't stand up for Israel.

17 posted on 04/16/2010 10:35:26 PM PDT by SmartInsight (Bad officials are elected by good citizens who do not vote. ~ G. J. Nathan)
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To: Drill Thrawl
It just crossed my mind that Israel could solve most of its problems by suitcase-nuking the UN in such a way that Iran got fingered.../sarc>

Cheers!

18 posted on 04/16/2010 10:42:45 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.http://www.free)
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To: IllumiNaughtyByNature

The large amount of Jewish Dems in Florida just this week proved that you are right. Southeast Fl always goes blue due to the Jewish voters. I will never understand it. Their liberal views mean more to them than Israel. Most of them have never been to Israel and they couldn’t care less about it.


19 posted on 04/16/2010 11:09:19 PM PDT by mojitojoe (“Our leaders seek to pit us against one another, and torment us relentlessly."Mark Levin)
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To: ScottinVA
I just wish Bibi would walk up and kick Boy Zero’s a$$.

That would be more fulfilling than helping birth my kids...

20 posted on 04/17/2010 2:54:31 AM PDT by Mamba56 (We herd sheep, we drive cattle, we lead people. Lead me, follow me, or get out of my way. - Patton)
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To: Mr. Mojo

Gee how would a mooselimb/mooselimb sympathizer vote when the U.N. condemns Israel?

Hmmmm ....


21 posted on 04/17/2010 4:01:17 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, John 11:25, 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13, John 6:69)
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To: Mr. Mojo

btt


22 posted on 04/17/2010 10:23:25 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: Mr. Mojo

Further building by Israelis in Gaza undermines the “two state solution” for peace. Without the creation of two separate states, in ten years Arabs will outnumber Jews in the West Bank, Gaza, and even in Israel itself.

Israel’s chief negotiator with the Palestinians, Foreign Minister Levini, said recently on 60 minutes that peace is “unthinkable” with all the settlers in Gaza. When she was asked about the difficulties of moving all the settlers back to Israel she replied, “It’s not going to be easy. But this is the only solution.”


23 posted on 04/17/2010 2:41:55 PM PDT by freethinker_for_freedom
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To: freethinker_for_freedom
[Livni] said recently on 60 minutes that peace is “unthinkable” with all the settlers in Gaza.

Israel pulled out of Gaza years ago, and it was a complete diaster as the Arabs not only mindlessly destroyed everything worthwhile abandoned by the departing Jewish community (like food production facilities), but actually increased both their demands and terrorist activity subsequent to the departure. (Gee, who could've seen that coming?).

I believe you're referring to the Jews in the W. Bank, not Gaza. ...a far larger (and thankfully ever-growing) community. Livni and other brain-dead libs on both sides of the Atlantic are deluded beyond description if they believe that if the Jews in the W. Bank were forceably removed from their homes that it would result in anything other than a complete disaster. ...far worse than what happened after the Gaza withdrawal.

Appeasement of Mohammedans never works. Not once, not ever. It merely encourages them.

24 posted on 04/17/2010 4:03:34 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Mr. Mojo

As I have heard many Jewish people say on TV. Israel must always rely on itself to assure that the holocost never happens again, and it will make sure it can defend itself.


25 posted on 04/17/2010 5:07:33 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

I wonder if it is possible for a late forty something American guy to go and join the IDF ?????


26 posted on 04/17/2010 5:29:04 PM PDT by WNC mountainboy (Fed up to here with it !!!!!!!!)
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To: WNC mountainboy

I don’t have a clue, but I would guess no.


27 posted on 04/17/2010 5:31:18 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Mr. Mojo

“I believe you’re referring to the Jews in the W. Bank...”

Right.

“Appeasement of Mohammedans never works...”

With regards to the creation of a separate Palestinian state, the intent would be not to just satisfy the Muslim community, but to preserve Israel as a Jewish state as well. As the Muslims continue to out-reproduce the Jews, the Jews will become a minority in their own country in about ten years. Therefore, it is in their interests to have someplace to send the Muslims. Another option is for Israel to surrender the West Bank to Jordan and allow them to immigrate there.

Allowing continued Jewish settlement of the West Bank makes all options for a separate place for these Muslims to go more difficult, and could ultimately lead to great difficulties for Israel.


28 posted on 04/17/2010 8:42:24 PM PDT by freethinker_for_freedom
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To: freethinker_for_freedom
Therefore, it is in their interests to have someplace to send the Muslims.

That's for sure. But that place doesn't have to include the small slice of land currently settled by the Jewish community in the W. Bank. As I mentioned, giving the Arabs what they ask for not only doesn't guarantee peace (as many naively believe), it in fact puts Israel in greater danger.

I have a few ideas on how to resolve this business, and none of them are pretty. A couple of them are quite radical, in fact. But among the most palatable is George Will's recommendation of A Short War and a High Wall.

29 posted on 04/17/2010 9:12:20 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: freethinker_for_freedom
Another option is for Israel to surrender the West Bank to Jordan and allow them to immigrate there.

How about securing the West Bank and aggressively driving the filthy subhumans back into Jordan, where they came from in the first place.

30 posted on 04/17/2010 9:15:13 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Republicans...the REAL civil rights party.)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

“How about securing the West Bank and aggressively driving the filthy subhumans back into Jordan, where they came from in the first place.”

Maybe. Interesting that the US is eight years into fighting two wars to help their counterparts in Iraq and Afghanistan establish Western-style democracy. How did that happen?


31 posted on 04/18/2010 4:20:32 AM PDT by freethinker_for_freedom
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32 posted on 04/18/2010 5:46:44 AM PDT by SJackson (Jerusalem will remain the capital of Israel and it must remain undivided, Barack Hussein Obama)
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To: IllumiNaughtyByNature; DownInFlames

To impeach Zer0 would take a simple majority vote of the House. To convict him following impeachment would take a 2/3’s supermajority vote of the Senate (67 votes).


33 posted on 04/18/2010 6:02:44 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (FUBO! FUNP! FUHR! FUBS!)
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To: DownInFlames

ballot box in Nov?? Not with the Jewish voters. They worship obama.


34 posted on 04/18/2010 6:04:43 AM PDT by rrrod
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To: freethinker_for_freedom

Go away, lefty. (Yes, I’ve looked at your posting history, sweetie. You’re not fooling anybody.)


35 posted on 04/18/2010 6:47:49 AM PDT by safeasthebanks ("The most rewarding part, was when he gave me my money!" - Dr. Nick)
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To: DownInFlames
Bad advice, bad move indeed. Backfire in November? I doubt it.

Obama isn't running till 2012. Israel could be a memory by then.

36 posted on 04/18/2010 8:58:19 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: mojitojoe
Most of them have never been to Israel and they couldn’t care less about it.

That's it in a nutshell. Liberal jews are no more Jews than liberal Democrats are really for democracy.

37 posted on 04/18/2010 9:03:01 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: freethinker_for_freedom
Further building by Israelis in Gaza undermines the “two state solution” for peace.

??? The Israelis under Sharon evacuated Gaza several years ago. As for the "two state solution," settlers in the West Bank are the least obstacle possible.

If the Palis really wanted a two state solution, settlers would be no issue at all. They could stay where they are and the Palis could welcome them. That's if the palis were serious of course, which they demonstrably are not.

38 posted on 04/18/2010 9:09:43 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: hinckley buzzard

I was talking about the impact to Dems in 2010 mid-term elections.


39 posted on 04/18/2010 10:26:53 AM PDT by DownInFlames
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To: Mr. Mojo
"If the Obama administration believes that it can bring about more peace and harmony and respect for America by sitting on its hands and refusing to exercise the veto, while the likes of Russia and China... and Lebanon (which is currently a member).... revel in a hate-filled denunciation of Israel, then the administration is delusional. The refusal to exercise the veto will be read as weakness, as will any attempt by the Obama administration to deflect criticism by claiming "the UN made me do it."‪‪

Bo is using our nation for whatever advantage he determines promotes himself in the eyes of the international community but the worlds leaders are not playing his street game....he has failed greatly in gaining popularity among the leaderships world wide...they seem him as a dunce. Therefore they can and will manipulate him....if behind a rock and hard place I would assume he will vote..."present". He is a gutless wonder!

40 posted on 04/18/2010 10:27:51 AM PDT by caww
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To: Mr. Mojo

This could start a world war.


41 posted on 04/18/2010 10:28:59 AM PDT by Kakaze (Exterminate Islamofacism and apologize for If the Conservatives had.....except not doing it sooner!)
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To: freethinker_for_freedom
Interesting that the US is eight years into fighting two wars to help their counterparts in Iraq and Afghanistan establish Western-style democracy.

How is that relevant to the discussion? The post you reponded to recommended driving the Arabs OUT of the W. Bank altogether and into Jordan (a position I heartily agree with, btw), not socially engineering their society into a Western-style democracy as we've attempted to do in Iraq/Afghanistan.

42 posted on 04/18/2010 10:48:26 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Mr. Mojo

“How is that relevant to the discussion?”

I thought it was obvious. I was responding to this remark:

“How about securing the West Bank and aggressively driving the filthy subhumans back into Jordan, where they came from in the first place.”

The filthy subhumans of whom he speaks are the Arab Muslims, unless I misunderstood the writer. I was merely pointing out that we are now fighting two wars to help those same filthy subhumans, and I was interested to see what the writer thought about that.


43 posted on 04/18/2010 4:12:07 PM PDT by freethinker_for_freedom
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To: safeasthebanks

“Go away, lefty.”

I don’t know why it is a “lefty” opinion that Israel should do what is best for Israel, even if it is also something what the Arabs want. Because the Muslims produce more babies, the Jews in Israel are going to be outnumbered in their own country in the next decade or so.

When that happens, what will their alternatives be? Allow the Arabs to vote and elect Hamas to govern Israel? Or deny the Arabs to vote and become an apartheid state, with subsequent loss of support of the world community? It would be almost impossible for even the USA to support Israel in such a case.

I want Israel to survive and prosper. I think that long term, they are going to have to either embrace a two state solution or induce Jordan to take over the West Bank and allow the Muslims to immigrate there, or something along those lines. In any event, it seems like continued Israeli building in the West Bank makes these options more difficult.

Now, are you just a name-caller, or do you have a point to make?


44 posted on 04/18/2010 4:27:55 PM PDT by freethinker_for_freedom
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To: hinckley buzzard

“If the Palis really wanted a two state solution, settlers would be no issue at all. They could stay where they are and the Palis could welcome them.”

Really, you think so? I’m a Texan, and I think you know how most of us feel about illegal immigrants. Somehow I doubt that the Palis would be more generous in their attitude towards what they consider to be illegal immigrants as well.


45 posted on 04/18/2010 4:38:30 PM PDT by freethinker_for_freedom
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To: freethinker_for_freedom
[Israel is] going to have to either embrace a two state solution or induce Jordan to take over the West Bank and allow the Muslims to immigrate there,,

The last thing Jordan wants is to absorb 2.5 million nutballs into their population, and no inducement will be enough to get them to change their minds. (Remember Black September?). So you can forget that idea. Israel would have to force the Palis upon the Jordanians. ...by driving them across the Jordan River. Of course that's a major war scenario, but one that's increasingly becoming less far-fetched by the day.

Another plan (as George Will outlined in the article I posted in #29) is to drive the Palis to the Eastern half of the W. Bank and then build a wall to keep them out. Of course Jordan would be guarding their Western border to keep the Palis out of their nation as well. No one wants them, and for good reason.

The Arab nations, using the Palis as pawns both to redirect the attention of their populaces away from the corruption and tyranny at home and onto an external enemy ("The Zionist Entity") and to create a forward army on the front lines of their war to destroy Israel, have created a monster.

46 posted on 04/18/2010 5:04:36 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Mr. Mojo

I read the George Will article you recommended, and as usual with Will, I was impressed. He might well be recommending a reasonable solution except for the problem of the Muslims within Israel already. Now I am not sure of this, but I assume they are already citizens and it would be difficult to just remove them. Or perhaps they identify themselves as Israelis first and Muslims second, so their desires are not the same as the Palestinian Muslims (I am sure this must be true to some extent). But most writers seem to feel that there will be a crisis when the Muslims of Israel outnumber the Jews, and Will’s short war and secure walls won’t solve that problem.


47 posted on 04/18/2010 5:55:06 PM PDT by freethinker_for_freedom
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To: freethinker_for_freedom

You’re correct, the high birth rate of Arabs within Israel proper is indeed a problem. ...a problem that will still exist even if the Israelis cede to the demands of “the rest of the world” and give the Palies the entire W. Bank as a new state, including the areas currently settled by Jews. Why? Because life is too good for Arabs with Israeli citizenship (a fact the MSM duly ignores), and the chances of more than just a small % of them wanting to move to a new state run by those Hamas/Fatah crazos is close to zero. ...even with monetary incentives (unless they’re large enough).


48 posted on 04/18/2010 6:12:08 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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