Heckler & Koch P7 M13 A Political Refugee In America

ammoland.com ^ | 16 April, 2010 | Tony Walker

[Armedanddangerous]

Believe it or not, somewhere on this earth there are two 45 auto prototype P-7 M-13s.

I can’t imagine how big of a grip such a pistol would have to have.

[Armedanddangerous]

take your safety out. It isn’t difficult to do.

[Squantos]

Ohhhh hell noooooooo.......:o)

Tried one that uncle sugar loaned me once, yet that and beretta 93R were not that good of a tool IMO. Now a Glock 18.....that is a sweet rig for EDC !

You get flooded out like we did last few days ?

[wastedyears]

And, I would like it if they would include in state manufactured full-autos as weapons not applicable to fed law.

I've been saying that every state that passes a law pertaining to firearms should include that in the bill. If full autos and suppressors, including all other accessories like AP, tracer and incendiary ammo, AND M203 launchers aren't included in the bill, then it's basically useless. If they want to use the "old laws" argument about the Second Amendment, then we'll use the old laws argument about rapid-fire printing presses, telephones, satellite communication and the internet, and they'll all have to go away.

[ajwharton]

Glocks have this feature. I personally don't know of any shooting instructor, combat or otherwise, who teach students to place their index finger on the front of the trigger guard. This includes both the dominant and support hand.

I have been a basic/combat instructor since '91, and I can tell you that is NOT for a finger rest. A solid grip with the offhand index finger wrapped around the grip below the trigger guard is much more effective. The most commonly told story that I have heard is that it is to brace the gun against a forward block, like the chain-links in a fence.

[Tijeras_Slim]

Rained last night, but nothing big.

[Repeat Offender]

For the ammo and "firearms" accesories, it is left ambiguos. Something is not against the law unless specifically mentioned. Therefore, in my opinion, AP rounds, tracers, M203, supressors, etc should be legal under state law unless there is another specific law preventing the their manufacture.

The bills I read all seem to specifically deem machineguns illegal.

Personally, I don't see anything wrong with people owning grenades, mortars, claymores, machineguns..... etc.

[wardaddy]

these HK semi auto finger pointers were popular in my crowd back in their day 30 years ago

the P70Z may have been the most user unfriendly semi-autopistol ever made in Germany

nowadays most semi-autopistols are blockier like Glocks...sadly just from a arms fashion point of view

after 99 years there is still only one in my view that stands at the top...in whatever form...it all goes back to Moses Browning...no one has beat that feel yet

for my taste anyhow

except in smaller ankle holster calibers where I do like Bond type pistols like older Steyrs, Sigs and Walthers

[Squantos]

Big rain here......headed east down I 40 now....on to Wardaddy’s arena !

I like the KISS principal regarding every day carry firearms.....carried a SW Model 13, round butt 3 inch barrel for a few decades due it’s simplicity and reliability. Now I just stuff a Glock with a empty chamber and full magazine into my waistband, cavalry-meskin mode with a spare mag or 3 in a IWB pouch.

Combat Tupperware is reliable, dehorned / melted pretty good from the factory so I stick with that now....

A Elishewitz Phantom folder and a E2DL Surefire round out my self defense goodies these days.....may add more for road trips but I figure the ballistic coefficient of a 4x4 truck doing 70 is better that a pistol pill any day....let the insurance company clean up the oooops !

[Travis McGee]

I like skinny guns too, like 1911s or my CZ-52.

But I like high cap double-stack mag “blocky” guns even better.

For me, more bullets beats slimness.

[GenXteacher]

What a pitiful country the English live in....

[sig226]

well over $2,000 for factory nickel (they made them) with three magazines

[Atlas Sneezed]

Believe it or not, somewhere on this earth there are two 45 auto prototype P-7 M-13s.

I can’t imagine how big of a grip such a pistol would have to have.

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It was called the P7M7, and as a single stack, would not have been very wide (with 7-round magazines). Certainly no wider than the M10 or M13.

Only six ever made, and the manufacturer owns them all.

http://hkpro.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=66:p7m7&catid=11:rare-prototypes&Itemid=5

[marktwain]

“I have been a basic/combat instructor since ‘91”

It was fashionable for a while well before ‘91.

[wastedyears]

Personally, I don't see anything wrong with people owning grenades, mortars, claymores, machineguns..... etc.

Neither do I, and I wouldn't care if my next-door neighbor or across the street owned one or all of them. I'd only have a problem if something is pointed towards my home.

[Armedanddangerous]

All I know is I’d like one

[Kickass Conservative]

I know this is a bit off topic, but it shows what we are up against.

A Rat Legislator in Ca is trying to ban Open Carry. I only heard the story once on the radio thew other day.

One of his points was that someone could grab the gun out of the Holster of the person carrying it and use it to shoot people. The irony is that the Open Carry Law currently prohibits the gun from being loaded. You can have the magazine on you, but not in the gun.

This is in reaction to Starbucks not declaring itself a Gun Free Zone. I guess the Libtard Coffee Party folks are in fear of their lives when confronting a Law Abiding Citizen exercising their God Given Constitutional Rights while ordering a Grande Mocha.

[Vanders9]

If there’s one thing the Germans do know how to do well, its make guns.

[Shooter 2.5]

The only feature that I don't like on the Brownings is the magazine safety.

Magazine safety[disconnect] Uh, gee, what's that? Mine is supposed to have one of those thingies?? I'm not sure. I guess someone snuck into my house and stole mine.

[ctdonath2]

While that indeed should be the case, understand that on the scale of things the feds get wound up about, post-’86 full-auto is very close to the top of the list. While some states are looking for a fight over sovereignty, they don’t want it to be _that_ fight.